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It worked amazingly well for tens of thousand years preceeding agriculture. Primitive people managed their fertility really well because the wage of untimely breeding would be severe if not deadly. It doesnt work today because there is no life threatening negative feedback. And providing all the amenities to assure worry free sexual diversions for the needy have little to do with decreasing fertility all around the world. It is just that the folks have better things to occupy themselves with, they somehow manage to control their procreation as ignorant, uneducated and condomless those folks might be.
well before the modern era woman drank poisons to abort, used midwives and abortionist. they also self" aborted by any means they could. many died as a result. to assume primitive people managed their fertility" better than we do today is not taking into account the above mentioned.
I dont ask you to put value on somebody's life. Obviously, prisoners find plenty of value in their afflicted and restricted lives not to commit mass suicide. Abortion fans linking less crime with more abortions are highly imaginative in interpreting crime data, to say the least.
It worked amazingly well for tens of thousand years preceeding agriculture. Primitive people managed their fertility really well because the wage of untimely breeding would be severe if not deadly. It doesnt work today because there is no life threatening negative feedback. And providing all the amenities to assure worry free sexual diversions for the needy have little to do with decreasing fertility all around the world. It is just that the folks have better things to occupy themselves with, they somehow manage to control their procreation as ignorant, uneducated and condomless those folks might be.
You're right. Native Americans would routinely bash in the skulls of a newborn who was unwanted or found to be defective.
there is a big difference between demanding for something to be legal, and demanding for something to be enabled/provided by society. Women are free to sleep around as they please, yet them demanding society to enable carefree recreational activities (as well as accident management) is totally something else. I want public to enable me to do many things too. Where should it end?
Should every guy be provided with an expensive outfit and a corvette rentals and so on? Those things enable guys just as much as (if not more) as free contraceptive pills and accessible abortions enable women.
You have overlooked something.........
Men also benefit from contraception, it is hardly just for the woman.
Women don't need contraception just for themselves, do they?
When a woman is saved from an unwanted pregnancy, so is a man.
well before the modern era woman drank poisons to abort, used midwives and abortionist. they also self" aborted by any means they could. many died as a result. to assume primitive people managed their fertility" better than we do today is not taking into account the above mentioned.
You are referring to the age of agriculture that didnt restrict breeding in any way or shape. Read your Bible. Some fetuses were socially undesirable. No way, no how agriculturalists used crude abortions as a family planning and sex freedom tool. Things that manage fertility today:
1.kids are resource drains, not farm help or old age assurance
2. Rising consumer and child rearing expectations of upwardly mobile kind. Few want to breed janitors.
3. Career, toys, gadgets, vacations and many other things to try. It takes just a couple (or less) kids to satiate an average personal vanity, and make a mark on the to do list of life.
All the contraceptives and abortions in the world have less impact than 1,2 and 3. Most of the abortions are related to an undesirable fetus' impacting 1, 2 and 3 or a young unattached women searching a promising guy who can assure 1, 2 and 3. Since the number of young women on the quest for perfection exceeds (by far) the the number of guys matching the modern expectations, the competition among women is stiff, and she must put out a lot to win. I never understood why women are so obsessive about free contraception, before realising how difficult is the plight of a modern attractive woman who weighs somewhat less than a horse. They are driven to succeed.
You are referring to the age of agriculture that didnt restrict breeding in any way or shape. Read your Bible. Some fetuses were socially undesirable. No way, no how agriculturalists used crude abortions as a family planning and sex freedom tool. Things that manage fertility today:
1.kids are resource drains, not farm help or old age assurance
2. Rising consumer and child rearing expectations of upwardly mobile kind. Few want to breed janitors.
3. Career, toys, gadgets, vacations and many other things to try. It takes just a couple (or less) kids to satiate an average personal vanity, and make a mark on the to do list of life.
All the contraceptives and abortions in the world have less impact than 1,2 and 3. Most of the abortions are related to an undesirable fetus' impacting 1, 2 and 3 or a young unattached women searching a promising guy who can assure 1, 2 and 3. Since the number of young women on the quest for perfection exceeds (by far) the the number of guys matching the modern expectations, the competition among women is stiff, and she must put out a lot to win. I never understood why women are so obsessive about free contraception, before realising how difficult is the plight of a modern attractive woman who weighs somewhat less than a horse. They are driven to succeed.
Abortions have been used since far before your bible was even written (nice assumption btw).
Men also benefit from contraception, it is hardly just for the woman.
Women don't need contraception just for themselves, do they?
When a woman is saved from an unwanted pregnancy, so is a man.
Cut off your nose to spite your face much?
Sure, men benefit when other men are paying for their gf birth control, I didnt doubt that. The only problem a woman is in charge of taking those pills, and she tends to forget to take that pill when it suits her. American family and custody laws are nightmare from standpoint of men whose gf/wife "forgot" to take that pill. Contraception doesnt really protect men who dont want kids, it is all up to a woman.
Sure, men benefit when other men are paying for their gf birth control, I didnt doubt that. The only problem a woman is in charge of taking those pills, and she tends to forget to take that pill when it suits her. American family and custody laws are nightmare from standpoint of men whose gf/wife "forgot" to take that pill. Contraception doesnt really protect men who dont want kids, it is all up to a woman.
None of that changes the fact that men benefit when women have greater access to birth control.
So tired of men whining about their lot in life.
Men do not have to endure pregnancy or the health risks of using most methods of birth control.
Men love being freed of condom use when their lady is on birth control pills yet I doubt most men would take male BC pills if they were available........they would whine about the health risks instead.
Are you prepared to support the unwanted kids when they are born? What is your address?
I do my share already. It is not an issue, people are standing in line to adopt a newborn. Besides, I was talking about what an unwanted fetus would want, not me or you.
None of that changes the fact that men benefit when women have greater access to birth control.
So tired of men whining about their lot in life.
Men do not have to endure pregnancy or the health risks of using most methods of birth control.
Men love being freed of condom use when their lady is on birth control pills yet I doubt most men would take male BC pills if they were available........they would whine about the health risks instead.
Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa.
If a man cannot afford his gf pills he should put all that sexual energy into generating extra income. All that doesnt change the fact that a woman is in charge. A woman would rarely have unprotected sex with somebody she's 100% unwilling to have kids with, even if it's her husband, it doesnt really matter what sensation wishes (or more frequently, errection issues) a man might have. Unprotected sex=she admits a theoretical possibility of having kids with that guy.
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