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Old 07-17-2015, 07:05 PM
 
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I am referring to K-12. Universities are funded by student loans. The buildings are already paid for and new ones are donated by alumni or corporations.
Just a heads up, no building is ever “truly” paid for. There’s this pesky problem called PM.

There’s a lot of stuff that needs PM in a building and or has a lifespan. Most people just see four walls and a roof.
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Old 07-17-2015, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Montana
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Are you equating Scott Walker to Bill Gates and Steve Jobs? Seriously?

How much more would you like to cut from the Wisconsin universities?

Would you like to close them all together? How much will closing the universities cost the state, considering those university graduates start business, bring in grants and provide educated workers for local Wisconsin companies?

Scott Walker took $250 Million away from the universities in the 2011-2013 budget. He took another $250+Million in this budget. How much more would you like to cut from them?
Yes, actually. He has been a Governor elected 3 times now, and has successfully brought many schools in WI from the brink of bankruptcy through his fight with the unions (and their insurance scam specifically), allowing them to retain teachers and keep schools open - for starters...

I am all for education, but so much of the education budget has nothing to do with education.

Administration expenses, union insurance at a 50% plus premium, non classroom advisors ad nauseam, student unions, perpetual building expansions all need to be cut significantly.

However, to create a controversy, the education establishment will likely try to lay off teachers, eliminate days in school, and continue expand the other non academic expenses to show how "Walker is destroying education in Wisconsin!"

Not buying into the political BS of the education establishment. Priority needs to be towards education, not gender orientation, after school babysitting, meals programs, et al. At some point the cuts may have an actual impact on legit education requirements, but we're nowhere near there yet!
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Old 07-17-2015, 07:13 PM
 
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Yes, actually. He has been a Governor elected 3 times now, and has successfully brought many schools in WI from the brink of bankruptcy through his fight with the unions (and their insurance scam specifically), allowing them to retain teachers and keep schools open - for starters...

I am all for education, but so much of the education budget has nothing to do with education.

Administration expenses, union insurance at a 50% plus premium, non classroom advisors ad nauseam, student unions, perpetual building expansions all need to be cut significantly.

However, to create a controversy, the education establishment will likely try to lay off teaches, eliminate days in school, and continue expand the other non academic expenses to show how "Walker is destroying education in Wisconsin!"

Not buying into the political BS of the education establishment. Priority needs to be towards education, not gender orientation, after school babysitting, meals programs, et al. At some point the cuts may have an actual impact on legit education requirements, but we're nowhere near there yet!
Ah, there we have it. How much more, a billion? Maybe Wisconsin can just end university education entirely and call it home schooled college degree? When does a university offer after school baby sitting or gender orientation? A university is advanced education, which you clearly do not support. How will you personally know when the budget cutting is enough? When your child has to move to another state because the university is closed? Good luck with the future of Wisconsin. Scott Walker is a genius indeed. No wonder he couldn't graduate.
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Old 07-17-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Here's a budget abstract, I noticed no one had posted it:

http://www.doa.state.wi.us/Documents...et/bib1517.pdf

Apparently Wisconsin has a 2 year budget cycle.
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Old 07-17-2015, 07:37 PM
 
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Here's a budget abstract, I noticed no one had posted it:

http://www.doa.state.wi.us/Documents...et/bib1517.pdf

Apparently Wisconsin has a 2 year budget cycle.
And so far, Scott Walker has cut over a half a billion dollars from the Wisconsin universities in less than five years.
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Old 07-17-2015, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Yes, actually. He has been a Governor elected 3 times now, and has successfully brought many schools in WI from the brink of bankruptcy through his fight with the unions (and their insurance scam specifically), allowing them to retain teachers and keep schools open - for starters...

I am all for education, but so much of the education budget has nothing to do with education.

Administration expenses, union insurance at a 50% plus premium, non classroom advisors ad nauseam, student unions, perpetual building expansions all need to be cut significantly.

However, to create a controversy, the education establishment will likely try to lay off teachers, eliminate days in school, and continue expand the other non academic expenses to show how "Walker is destroying education in Wisconsin!"

Not buying into the political BS of the education establishment. Priority needs to be towards education, not gender orientation, after school babysitting, meals programs, et al. At some point the cuts may have an actual impact on legit education requirements, but we're nowhere near there yet!
Don't forget the need to push a progressive LGBT agenda on adolescents.

Something I could never figure out is why schools don't feed all students rather than a select handful. My property taxes went up 6% and is supposed to go to education. It may cost $1/day per kid to serve each one lunch. They can eat their other meals at home. How much is spent on each kid annually just to educate them? Thousands? Throw in a bologna sandwich and an apple(edible kind) at noon and be done with it.
Don't like the food? Good, go hungry. It is less the school will have to put out.
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Old 07-17-2015, 07:46 PM
 
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Don't forget the need to push a progressive LGBT agenda on adolescents.

Something I could never figure out is why schools don't feed all students rather than a select handful. My property taxes went up 6% and is supposed to go to education. It may cost $1/day per kid to serve each one lunch. They can eat their other meals at home. How much is spent on each kid annually just to educate them? Thousands? Throw in a bologna sandwich and an apple(edible kind) at noon and be done with it.
Don't like the food? Good, go hungry. It is less the school will have to put out.
Most kids pay for their own lunches. And in the universities, all do. It sounds like Scott Walker supporters are mostly angry seniors that don't give a flip about education whatsoever and their greatest concern is bologna sandwiches, ESL and sex education. No wonder Wisconsin is doomed.
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Old 07-17-2015, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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Most kids pay for their own lunches. And in the universities, all do. It sounds like Scott Walker supporters are mostly angry seniors that don't give a flip about education whatsoever and their greatest concern is bologna sandwiches, ESL and sex education. No wonder Wisconsin is doomed.
Angry seniors...sounds like ageism.
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Old 07-17-2015, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Wait...don't you also go on about costs of living mattering?
According to you and your ilk, they don't.


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And yet you laud comparing the cost of providing something being different between Washington DC....and...Alabama? Without comparing the actual expense of providing it?

Really?
Enlighten us.

Did you even read the data?

Table 8. Per Pupil Amounts for Current Spending of Public Elementary-Secondary School Systems by State: Fiscal Year 2013


District of Columbia Spending:

Per pupil support: $303

Per Instructional Support Staff: $846
Per General Administration: $1,905
Per School Administration: $1,512

New York State Spending:

Per pupil support: $615
Per Instructional Support Staff: $486
Per General Administration: $332
Per School Administration: $739

Connecticut State Spending:

Per pupil support: $1,079
Per Instructional Support Staff: $511
Per General Administration: $358
Per School Administration: $985

Alabama State Spending:

Per pupil support: $502
Per Instructional Support Staff: $400
Per General Administration: $198
Per School Administration: $538

That pretty much says it all.


And thanks for the post...it's book-marked for future use.

You'll be seeing it again, and again, and again...


Mircea
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Old 07-17-2015, 08:13 PM
 
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Because every parent wants their child to get an Alabama education. And now Wisconsin can only hope to aspire to Alabama levels.
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