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Old 08-06-2015, 11:42 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Because Freedom Of Speech ≠ freedom from consequences, and rappers aren't public servants...
But Freedom of Speech = Freedom from Government Consequences.
His employer his covered by the 14th amendment, so First Amendment protections from the employment consequences of his speech does apply.
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Old 08-06-2015, 02:53 PM
 
Location: California → Tennessee → Ohio
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Alabama has one of the highest murder rates in the nation!
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Old 08-06-2015, 03:22 PM
 
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But Freedom of Speech = Freedom from Government Consequences.
His employer his covered by the 14th amendment, so First Amendment protections from the employment consequences of his speech does apply.
Freedom of speech = freedom from prosecution. Not freedom from being fired. I don't know where your reasoning comes from.
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Old 08-07-2015, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
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Nope. There are no "apologists" here though I do see plenty of cop witch hunting. The matter has been settled even by the plaintiffs.

If you wish to use the opinions expressed by the Russian Times, to push agenda, then by all means do so. It only speaks to the scraping the muck off the bottom of the barrel with the cop witch hunt. You should see what they routinely say about Obama and the issue of race relations in the USA.
A witch hunt is exactly what it is. I've sworn off P.C. speech - the truth is what it is not what Hussein Obama says it is. He's not told the truth once.
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:01 AM
 
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But we don't have to spend our money to support them...our tax dollars supports this man. Apples and oranges.
You have no choice but to pay your taxes. If you don't like the way the city is run, you can address it in the voting booth.
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:14 AM
 
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..... RT did not express opinions but simply reported facts that are also being reported by US news outlets. You can dance all around the truth if you want and pretend the only issue is that the officer uttered a racial slur, while ignoring the threats on the man's life and the subsequent settlement. You're not deceiving anybody but yourself.
Then why don't you cite a reputable US news outlet.

When an article refers to Ferguson as a "popular uprising", which also has nothing to do with the topic, it's an opinion article. It was written to embarrass the USA which is the entire point of RT.

As far as the racial slur is concerned, I didn't raise it. But I commented on it once it was raised. This only demonstrates that you don't approach this objectively, but instead seek to find facts to support what you have already decided.
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Saint Louis (Clayton)
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That does not address the question. It's silly to fire someone for speaking a word.
Public Servants using hate speech is usually counter-productive and well... hateful
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:17 AM
 
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You know, Waldo, pinning a tag of "model citizen" on people is not really very meaningful..
Then why don't you direct your criticism to the party who raised it?
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:18 AM
 
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Public Servants using hate speech is usually counter-productive and well... hateful
Please define "Hate Speech".

Are you saying that rappers who use the N-word are really singing hate speech songs?
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Saint Louis (Clayton)
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Please define "Hate Speech".

Are you saying that rappers who use the N-word are really singing hate speech songs?
For me its intent. Your intent, the connotation. His intentions and rappers are clearly different. Your desperate attempt to compare Rappers using the N-word to his mal-intent is odd.

Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits. - American Bar

I cannot dream up an event in which a cop or any civil servant using hate speech would be acceptable.
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