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Old 08-07-2015, 02:58 AM
 
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For me its intent. Your intent, the connotation. His intentions and rappers are clearly different. Your desperate attempt to compare Rappers using the N-word to his mal-intent is odd.

Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits. - American Bar

I cannot dream up an event in which a cop or any civil servant using hate speech would be acceptable.
There are plenty of people offended by the music of rappers. So using your standard, their music is hate speech.

The comparison isn't odd. It's completely valid because what you are really saying is that if a White person says the N-word, it's hate speech but when a Black says it, it's OK. That is a standard based on race too and hence just as bad. i.e. Saying the N-word can't automatically assumed to be "hate speech".

Thus, I have yet to hear a valid reason for firing someone because they use profanity.
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:58 AM
 
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Because Freedom Of Speech ≠ freedom from consequences, and rappers aren't public servants...
You can call them public servants all you like, but they aren't YOUR servants, and YOU don't get to decide how they PERSONALLY feel about someone who is a threat to the perpetrators own family.

The proper term is public safety employees.
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Old 08-07-2015, 06:46 AM
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You have no choice but to pay your taxes. If you don't like the way the city is run, you can address it in the voting booth.
Not sure what your point is as that had nothing to do with what I was saying. My point is you can' t compare a public servant who earns tax dollars with a person who earns money by only those who support them. When you are a public servant, you work for the government.
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Old 08-07-2015, 06:49 AM
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There are plenty of people offended by the music of rappers. So using your standard, their music is hate speech.

The comparison isn't odd. It's completely valid because what you are really saying is that if a White person says the N-word, it's hate speech but when a Black says it, it's OK. That is a standard based on race too and hence just as bad. i.e. Saying the N-word can't automatically assumed to be "hate speech".

Thus, I have yet to hear a valid reason for firing someone because they use profanity.
Its hate speech when a white person says it because most of the times it is said out hate ESPECIALLy when a crime is committed. Would be the same way if a black person used the "C" word. hateful Intentions are everything.
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Old 08-07-2015, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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You can call them public servants all you like, but they aren't YOUR servants, and YOU don't get to decide how they PERSONALLY feel about someone who is a threat to the perpetrators own family.

The proper term is public safety employees.

You might want to look up 'public servant'. Just because you don't like the word 'servant' doesn't mean public servant isn't the correct category for jobs like police officer.

And no, cops should not be allowed to do or say anything that indicates they might not be fair in doing their job.

Comparing public servants to rap artists is ridiculous. Rap artists do not have any power over anyone. They do not serve anyone. What they say may influence, but they cannot control what happens to individuals.
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Old 08-07-2015, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Please define "Hate Speech".

Are you saying that rappers who use the N-word are really singing hate speech songs?
I'll say it. Much of that music is reprehensible.
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