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Most of the people I see that hate police had issues with the police in the first place. They are only being more vocal about it since these useless protests started. No third party panel(guess you're referring to civilian review board) should have the power to determine punishment for anything. Why should people (volunteers) who have mostly zero knowledge about law enforcement be given the power to determine punishments? They can be just as corrupted and biased in their thinking.
You do know courts are filled with people who have mostly zero knowledge about laws and law enforcement as jurors, right? And that they're weeded out if they're biased?
NO WAY should cops have others in law enforcement deciding anything. That's been the biggest part of the problem all along.
You do know courts are filled with people who have mostly zero knowledge about laws and law enforcement as jurors, right? And that they're weeded out if they're biased?
Jurors are not the same thing as a civilian review board. They are using laws to determine things in the court of law and jurors are given quite a bit of instructions. Nice try
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NO WAY should cops have others in law enforcement deciding anything. That's been the biggest part of the problem all along.
Detectives are the ones that do the investigations and will continue to be that way. No (volunteer) civilian review board should have the power to determine a punishment. Their purpose is to review and make recommendation. Corruption is the problem. All the successful review boards out there don't even have such powers.
When we talk about cops "hesitating" to use force. Good. It means some thought is occurring. Yes some cops might die-its a tough job that way, and I'd rather they didn't die, BUT....I also know that our police not hesitating to use force doesn't lead us to a good path either.
And all policing is local. Some areas are better then others, some departments are amazing. Some arent.
Jurors are not the same thing as a civilian review board. They are using laws to determine things in the court of law and jurors are given quite a bit of instructions. Nice try
Detectives are the ones that do the investigations and will continue to be that way. No (volunteer) civilian review board should have the power to determine a punishment. Their purpose is to review and make recommendation. Corruption is the problem. All the successful review boards out there don't even have such powers.
A board could have someone consulting them on law, and also be given instructions.
Chicago has the IPRA - Independent Police Review Authority - and out of 400 cases, the IPRA sided with the cops all but one time.
One member who served was told he better stop voting against the police and was finally fired.
The pulse out there can make police hesitant... hesitancy can kill... and nearly did here...
The photographers of this incident are low lifes.. and one can hope karma finds them appropriately for not helping the protectors
What kind of lowlife scumbag photographs another human being in that situation, offers no aid, and then posts it on social media to make fun of? A sociopath. Someone with absolutely no conscience or empathy towards one's fellow man.
One in every 25 people have this personality disorder, though not all of them are killers.
It is my hope that body cameras will put an end to the hesitancy when there should be none, the unnecessary brutality that give police a bad name in the first place, and the protests if in fact it was a good shoot.
If Darren Wilson was wearing a body cam that day in Ferguson, we would not be seeing this mess we have today. Either way. Justified or not.
Count me in with the pro body-cam camp. The situations our LEOs are often diving into are chaotic and dangerous. Too often emotions run high on both sides, so we as a populace need some form of evidence before coming to any conclusions.
I like the panel idea, but couldn't it be partially comprised of police, and partially comprised of civilians? People won't trust any sort of review board if it's populated completely by LEO. There are too many instances like Samuel Dubose where other officers at the scene lied in their written reports. If it weren't for the body camera, no one would've known he was murdered by someone in a uniform.
Why should "we" be outraged? This individual that did this is mentally ill, acted alone and will now face justice. He doesn't represent us and he deserves nothing more than to face the justice system. Luckily the detective is still alive.
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I think the police should pull back from the "urban community" for a while...say four months or so.
I think your idea is silly and stupid. This individual does not get to determine the sworn duty the police have to protect our city. Nor does that change because of a few dumb comments on social media.
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