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Old 08-18-2015, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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More idiots who shouldnt own a gun because they dont have the responsibility needed!!


Very sad
Idiots that shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

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Kids are just part of the problem of accidental shootings. Most of them are due to careless storage or handling.

We should do things like requiring training, using PSA's to reinforce the importance of safety, requiring liability insurance, posting signs for heightened awareness when kids are around.

Take the case mentioned in the OP. What would possess someone to think it's okay to leave a loaded firearm laying around where 3 and 4 year old kids are playing?
See the post in the quotes below my post here. I agree with it since it is either drugs or some other illegal activity going on. One of those households where kids add to the welfare check.

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Gal with three kids and boyfriend and they're living with another person and have loaded guns laying around? Sounds like drugs might be in play around that household
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Old 08-18-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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I purchased my gun safe PRIOR to purchasing my first pistol because I have two children.

When my guns are at home, they are in the safe. If I am carrying and coming home from a trip, the first stop is ALWAYS the safe.
I wish we could encourage more people to follow your practice.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:12 PM
 
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Kids are just part of the problem of accidental shootings. Most of them are due to careless storage or handling.

We should do things like requiring training, using PSA's to reinforce the importance of safety, requiring liability insurance, posting signs for heightened awareness when kids are around.

Take the case mentioned in the OP. What would possess someone to think it's okay to leave a loaded firearm laying around where 3 and 4 year old kids are playing?



A total lack of cognizant reasoning power, er......otherwise known as common sense.

Just the kinds of folks who walk into a Walmart in Florida leaving their kids in a locked car in a 100F parking lot. Just the kind of folks who leave their underage kids in a car while they gamble in a Casino at 1AM. Just the kinds of folks who leave the .45ACP semi in the glove box of their car while it goes into the dealership for service, or even worse, under the front seat. Just the kinds of folks who wear them to theaters and political rallies and do not admit (until all the shootings over), they were armed but did nothing......those kinds of folks?
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:15 PM
 
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Just another reason to buy more guns... courtesy of the NRA
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:17 PM
 
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I purchased my gun safe PRIOR to purchasing my first pistol because I have two children.

When my guns are at home, they are in the safe. If I am carrying and coming home from a trip, the first stop is ALWAYS the safe.
Excellent!

The firearm as a tool should not be accessable to toddlers any more than your Paslode gas-cartridge nailer or your contractor's table saw would be.
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Old 08-18-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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The answer to this problem is of course that, we need more guns for civilians to have the chance to shoot fathers before they leave guns out in reach of little children.
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Old 08-18-2015, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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Yes, you definitely need more guns. I think they should be handed out to kids as soon as they start pre-school, let them learn how to shoot before they can read & write, guns are far more important...

Maybe even younger than pre-school age? Perhaps babies should be given one instead of a rattle? If you teach them how to use one at a very young age then they wont accidently shoot themselves with one of the many loaded ones scattered around the house...

That's the only solution I can possibly suggest to help stop these accidents from happening.

God Bless America.
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Old 08-18-2015, 06:34 PM
 
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Dang. Looks like this mother didn't make it.

Mother shot in head by 4-year-old son dies - WALB.com, South Georgia News, Weather, Sports
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Old 08-18-2015, 07:40 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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The trend with all your examples is poor judgment by the adults, from the mother transporting a loaded gun in the car (illegal in many areas except under special circumstances) to the trained (something you advocate) police officers.

Stop and think about that. Training doesn't stop some instances of stupid.

As a note, there are a few to several people I won't hunt with anymore because of their problematic gun handling in the blind or field. They each got two chances.

And, to tell on myself, after hunting (and competitive shooting for awhile in my youth) for almost 50 years I've had a couple unintentional discharges.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Kids are just part of the problem of accidental shootings. Most of them are due to careless storage or handling.

We should do things like requiring training, using PSA's to reinforce the importance of safety, requiring liability insurance, posting signs for heightened awareness when kids are around.

Take the case mentioned in the OP. What would possess someone to think it's okay to leave a loaded firearm laying around where 3 and 4 year old kids are playing?
One is required to have liability insurance because that is a contract between the person and the State for various functions, such as driving a car.

Requiring someone to have liability insurance for guns, however, is an item of the Constitution and has as much place in the US as requiring a poll tax for voting. It's rather unconstitutional.

Is there a way around that? Well, the Affordable Care Act rather showed us that perhaps there is, but in that case, then the requirement applies to everyone....or at least, everyone who doesn't have an exemption.

So, are you putting your money where your mouth is? Are you willing to put up your share of the cash for taxing (how the USSC defined the ACA) a right of the Constitution?
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