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Old 09-07-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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You can't fix anything until you deal with the roots of a problem. All these immigrants wherever they come from in the world, come from countries with serious internal problems. Be it Syria, Mexico wherever. It is unfair for certain countries in the world, to be placed in a position where they must accommodate all these misplaced people.

It is very sad these immigrants are put, in a position to have to leave their homeland. However I think its time to put strong demands, on what is right and wrong on this issue. My view is go after the countries causing these problems. At this point perhaps its time to put them in their place, and say enough is enough. Either get your country in some kind of order, with the help of the world. Or face the consequences. Domination of your countries Gov't until there is a change in the policies of the country. It should have been done with Mexico years ago. Mexico is a prime example of how a country, basically exports its people by the millions to the USA. Many illegally.

I don't think it will be very long before Germany says Enough is Enough. All these immigrants pouring into Germany. It will overwhelm the country very quickly.
Simply untrue. Net of illegal migration between Mexico and the US has been to Mexico since 2007. About a million less illegal Mexicans in the US than 8 years ago. And the Mexican economy per capita is roughly the same as that of Russia.

They came to the US for better jobs and stayed.

Sure we could "solve" the illegal problem by seizing Mexico. You would get small opposition. But then the Mexicans would simply take advantage of the new government and spread throughout the states. A couple of years and the problem is gone.
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Old 09-07-2015, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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They do not abuse our benefit system. Mostly they don't get near it and the ones that do get benefit to which they are legally entitled through their US children.

Baloney. If someone from Mexico sneaks into the US for the express purpose of having a baby to garner benefits that is an abuse of our system. Period. Plain as day. Happens every single day.

Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
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Old 09-07-2015, 10:40 AM
 
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Baloney. If someone from Mexico sneaks into the US for the express purpose of having a baby to garner benefits that is an abuse of our system. Period. Plain as day. Happens every single day.

Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
Does not compute. Way too many single men and too few children. They have a lower percentage of children than do native born.

Does it never happen? Of course it does. There are border towns where the women have been having their children in the US for generations. Makes border living much more comfortable if you can move smoothly back and forth.

It has been customary for many years for rich south american women to have children born in the US. Provides dual citizenship which is a distinct advantage to the child. No welfare involved.

But dropping babies for welfare benefits? As the demographics show it is very rare and not a factor in the illegal immigrant situation.
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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And that he doesn't care about them ...
Did he say that? Are you just as angry their own country could careless about them?

Other countries are kicking the people out and you think we should take all of them? Why is America not asking this same question of these countries??
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:18 PM
 
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Did he say that? Are you just as angry their own country could careless about them?

Other countries are kicking the people out and you think we should take all of them? Why is America not asking this same question of these countries??
Again that is not an issue. Mexico is kicking nobody out. In fact the present trend is for people to go back to Mexico.

Our illegals are not refugees. Virtually all driven by economic motives.

And other countries are not kicking people out...they are killing them. That is why the Syrian are running.
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Does not compute. Way too many single men and too few children. They have a lower percentage of children than do native born.

Does it never happen? Of course it does. There are border towns where the women have been having their children in the US for generations. Makes border living much more comfortable if you can move smoothly back and forth.

It has been customary for many years for rich south american women to have children born in the US. Provides dual citizenship which is a distinct advantage to the child. No welfare involved.

But dropping babies for welfare benefits? As the demographics show it is very rare and not a factor in the illegal immigrant situation.
Over $2 billion in emergency medicaid money went to hospitals for pay for anchor baby births.
Nearly half of that was spent in California alone.
I guess you have not read the stories ....women in labor swimming across the Rio Grande so they can have American babies.

A study that went back to 2009 showed nearly 60% of immigrants with children in the home were on at least one welfare program.
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Old 09-07-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Does not compute. Way too many single men and too few children. They have a lower percentage of children than do native born.

Does it never happen? Of course it does. There are border towns where the women have been having their children in the US for generations. Makes border living much more comfortable if you can move smoothly back and forth.

It has been customary for many years for rich south american women to have children born in the US. Provides dual citizenship which is a distinct advantage to the child. No welfare involved.

But dropping babies for welfare benefits? As the demographics show it is very rare and not a factor in the illegal immigrant situation.
Does not compute?

Parkland Memorial Hospital, Dallas, Texas. In the year 2009 at Parkland, 11,071 babies were born to women who were noncitizens, about 74 percent of total deliveries. Most of these women are believed to be in the country illegally. Dallas is about 300 miles from the border.

Numbers from the Texas Hospital Association show that the largest group of illegal immigrant patients is pregnant women.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/us...anted=all&_r=0

I could go on and on with many more examples.

Are you aware of the fact that actual facts matter? Are you able to distinguish the difference between wishful thinking and actual facts? Ii don't think you are.

Stop making things up.
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Old 09-07-2015, 01:19 PM
 
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Simply untrue. Net of illegal migration between Mexico and the US has been to Mexico since 2007. About a million less illegal Mexicans in the US than 8 years ago. And the Mexican economy per capita is roughly the same as that of Russia.

They came to the US for better jobs and stayed.

Sure we could "solve" the illegal problem by seizing Mexico. You would get small opposition. But then the Mexicans would simply take advantage of the new government and spread throughout the states. A couple of years and the problem is gone.
Seize Mexico? LOL! Uh, no. That doesn't "solve" illegal immigration. Nobody wants to seize Mexico and append a 3rd world country onto the US.

Here's a way to solve illegal immigration: Enforce current laws and massively increase border security.
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Old 09-07-2015, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Simply untrue. Net of illegal migration between Mexico and the US has been to Mexico since 2007. About a million less illegal Mexicans in the US than 8 years ago. And the Mexican economy per capita is roughly the same as that of Russia.

They came to the US for better jobs and stayed.

Sure we could "solve" the illegal problem by seizing Mexico. You would get small opposition. But then the Mexicans would simply take advantage of the new government and spread throughout the states. A couple of years and the problem is gone.
We already seized half of the territory of The Republic of Mexico back in the 1800s … I guess we just wanted the land and the resources, not the people, eh … ???
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Old 09-07-2015, 01:19 PM
 
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Over $2 billion in emergency medicaid money went to hospitals for pay for anchor baby births.
Nearly half of that was spent in California alone.
I guess you have not read the stories ....women in labor swimming across the Rio Grande so they can have American babies.

A study that went back to 2009 showed nearly 60% of immigrants with children in the home were on at least one welfare program.

Irrelevant. The demographics are clear. The production of babies is well below the native population and is in keeping with a job oriented over maled socioeconomic group.

The immigrants are not on the welfare program. Their legal children are. As it should be.
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