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Wow, I thought this would be one situation where there will be a consensus that it was insensitive or in bad taste, but I was proven wrong by CD.
"Oh, those crybaby Jews bitching about Holocaust again! It didn't happen. And if it did, it was 70 years ago, get over it already. And people other than Jews were killed, too. Boohoo."
Wow, I thought this would be one situation where there will be a consensus that it was insensitive or in bad taste, but I was proven wrong by CD.
"Oh, those crybaby Jews bitching about Holocaust again! It didn't happen. And if it did, it was 70 years ago, get over it already. And people other than Jews were killed, too. Boohoo."
yeah, crass like visiting the USS Arizona or the 9/11 memorial or the tomb of the unknown soldier.
Even by C-D standards, most of the responses in this thread are clueless.
These were attacks........Auschwitz should have been burnt to the ground to never be seen again. The horrors and memories are still there......I think some would claim people left the place for demons to walk it.
When you go to the places you mentioned, they happen to be displayed in a way that also honors the victims. 9/11 memorial cost the American people a lot to give a few people a place of solitude.
IMO the money should have helped the children of the victims or some place that benefited people beyond 9/11......not a reflecting pond!
Couldn't it also be argued that going to Auschwitz as a tourist is in bad taste, as well? Thousands of people were murdered there. It's not the Grand Canyon.
What about places in our own country that people today flock to. like Gettysburg, The Alamo, Perry's Monument (on Put N Bay in Lake Erie)...ect...ect? Murder took place at these locations as well.
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Originally Posted by hawk55732
Best way to learn about history is to be where it happened.
What about places in our own country that people today flock to. like Gettysburg, The Alamo, Perry's Monument (on Put N Bay in Lake Erie)...ect...ect? Murder took place at these locations as well.
As long as you're bringing it up, how would American tourists react if the WW2 memorials in Hawaii were all guarded by people that strongly looked Japanese? Or the WTC were guarded by people that strongly looked Arab? Do you really think people would feel at ease, especially those who lived through it, with these scenarios?
As long as you're bringing it up, how would American tourists react if the WW2 memorials in Hawaii were all guarded by people that strongly looked Japanese? Or the WTC were guarded by people that strongly looked Arab? Do you really think people would feel at ease, especially those who lived through it, with these scenarios?
Well... I'm not perpetually "offended" nor play the victim card, so I guess that it wouldn't bother me. BTW are these people in your scenario American citizens? Furthermore, aren't many of those who live in Hawaii of Japanese decent? My point is as hawk explained, best way to learn about history is to be where it happened. Wiping it away as painful as some of it may be does nothing to help us learn from our past mistakes.
[quote=no1brownsfan;41134737]What about places in our own country that people today flock to. like Gettysburg, The Alamo, Perry's Monument (on Put N Bay in Lake Erie)...ect...ect? Murder took place at these locations as well.
Little bit of a difference these people were just killed, not tortured and screaming day after day. The Alamo happened to be fighting men, something our country is beginning to lack.
My guess it was a couple of people who complained, not many!
Atually I went there three years ago. What did happen to Jews was despicable, but Poland suffered as much. I'm not condoning anything, but concentration camps were only about killing Jews, many more people other than them encountered death there.
Hitler was evil incarnate. He wanted a perfect race and believe if successful in his war againt humanity the same thing would have taken place in any nation he would by conquered. Anyone he determined were difficent in any way were a target. In his mind he would have ruled for over 1000 yrs and that world he would have purged and purified before it came. Shows he was a true madman.
Well... I'm not perpetually "offended" nor play the victim card, so I guess that it wouldn't bother me. BTW are these people in your scenario American citizens? Furthermore, aren't many of those who live in Hawaii of Japanese decent? My point is as hawk explained, best way to learn about history is to be where it happened. Wiping it away as painful as some of it may be does nothing to help us learn from our past mistakes.
Since you skipped over the second part of my question about the World Trade Center, do you think New Yorkers overreacted over the construction of the Ground Zero Mosque?
[quote=Yeledaf;41126861]What becomes of Auschwitz is of course the business of the Polish government. To my mind, it is an appropriate memorial site -- and a very moving one.
On the other hand, the National Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC, standing on the Federal Mall, surrounded by institutions and memorials of American achievement and excellence, is NOT apprpriate. America's only connection to the Holocaust was our efforts to end it and destroy the Nazis. Such a place of cruelty, horror and shame belongs in the place where it occurred -- such as Auschwitz.[/quote]
We just returned from Europe and toured Auschwitz. It was unbelievably sad and horrifying to see what human beings can do to each other. It is an important reminder not to let something like this ever happen again.
BYW, there were no showers going off when we were there a month ago. Everything was treated with great solemnity.
However, I disagree with your comments about the National Holocaust Museum in Washington, D. C. Even though it is certainly a scaled down version of Auschwitz, it does give people who will never be able to travel to Auschwitz a view of the horror that such evil can render. Also, expressions of America's efforts in WWII to stop the Nazis and actually play a huge part in saving Europe should never be considered inappropriate or downgraded. Many thousands of American soldiers lost their lives in WWII.
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Furthermore, aren't many of those who live in Hawaii of Japanese decent? My point is as hawk explained, best way to learn about history is to be where it happened. Wiping it away as painful as some of it may be does nothing to help us learn from our past mistakes.
Auschwitz & the National Holocaust Museum in D.C.
