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Certainly the dentist guy vs. "Cecil" has raised this question to a higher level of public awareness, and that is a good thing, IMHO …
Yes, a LOT of fake outrage was generated...thanks for proving that point...
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Originally Posted by Teilhard
As to your missing the points I have made repeatedly in this discussion, well … Not my problem ...
And I have asked numerous questions to make your point, yet you have failed to answer....that's your problem, not mine....you know those sentences with the "?" at the end, after YOU are quoted....those are questions directed at you....
I have been consistently clear in my *take* on this controversial situation:
(1) I oppose "trophy" hunting for both (A) "ethical" and (B) sound biological reasons, even though/when "trophy" hunting is "legal" …
(2) I oppose "trophy" hunting everywhere it is practiced -- not only in Africa …
(3) I accept hunting for food as both acceptable and, for some, necessary …
This is not rocket science …
Now, you have made that distinction, if you can show us where in this very thread where you have stated what you have JUST stated, then please do, I don't think you can, and if you DO, I will apologize here in this very thread!
Be exact, and provide your posts that say agree with word for word of what you say in above (1), (2), and (3), not your interpenetration of what you think you said.
The reason I ask this is because I have asked you a question or 2, and you have refused to answer, would you like me to provide my direct quotes, or do you think you can go back over the last 10 pages and find them, i'll do it for you if you don't have the gumption....
....and the hundreds of thousands never cared about "trophy" hunting until this dentist crap happened.
I think most people definitely do care about trophy hunting and are disgusted by it.
Many years ago, a neighbor I had just met invited me over to her house for coffee and her family room wall was covered with animal heads which her husband killed and had stuffed, and they were referred to as trophies.
I was very uncomfortable (and disgusted; the place gave me the creeps), and told her that although she seems very nice, herself, that I could not be comfortable in her home and knew that I could not be friends with her husband and that would put a damper on any friendship we might have, so I excused myself and left right away. She said that I wasn't the only one who felt this way, and that her husband's hobby caused her to have few friends. I really felt sorry for her (and truthfully, I silently questioned her judgment in choice of husbands and her meekness); however, feeling sorry for someone is not the basis for a good friendship.
Now, you have made that distinction, if you can show us where in this very thread where you have stated what you have JUST stated, then please do, I don't think you can, and if you DO, I will apologize here in this very thread!
Be exact, and provide your posts that say agree with word for word of what you say in above (1), (2), and (3), not your interpenetration of what you think you said.
The reason I ask this is because I have asked you a question or 2, and you have refused to answer, would you like me to provide my direct quotes, or do you think you can go back over the last 10 pages and find them, i'll do it for you if you don't have the gumption....
You seem to want to make this some kind of p*ssing contest between you and me …
I'm not interested …
I am interested in the discussion at hand re: the ethics of "trophy" hunting …
I think most people definitely do care about trophy hunting and are disgusted by it.
Many years ago, a neighbor I had just met invited me over to her house for coffee and her family room wall was covered with animal heads which her husband killed and had stuffed, and they were referred to as trophies.
I was very uncomfortable (and disgusted; the place gave me the creeps), and told her that although she seems very nice, herself, that I could not be comfortable in her home and knew that I could not be friends with her husband and that would put a damper on any friendship we might have, so I excused myself and left right away. She said that I wasn't the only one who felt this way, and that her husband's hobby caused her to have few friends. I really felt sorry for her (and truthfully, I silently questioned her judgment in choice of husbands and her meekness); however, feeling sorry for someone is not the basis for a good friendship.
I have a very close friend (high school lab partner in sophomore enriched biology):
He has been county chair of his local GOP … (I'm a lifelong very active Democrat) …
He is a gun enthusiast (though definitely not a gun nut) … (I am a gun owner, former hunter, former NRA member …)
… and
he once went on a guided hunting safari in southern Africa -- not for "trophies," but for the experience of hunting in Africa … All of the "bush meat" was used by local people and he did not take any animals that are endangered or threatened …
Many of us have personal experiences and feelings about these questions ...
I, for one, have never watched "Born Free" … or "The Lion King," so …
Nor do I "'romanticize' Nature," but I understand some things about Nature, and I respect Nature ...
I'll ask again. Why do you and other exclude human beings from being a part of "Nature"?
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This Dentist must be impotent?
