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The point that I asked you to support is your statement in this quote:
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Originally Posted by Teilhard
Yes, again … Unfortunately "the system" is easily corrupted by money sloshing around ...
The "evidence" that you presented is in this quote:
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Originally Posted by Teilhard
Corruption … Large sum of money paid; licenses and permits issued; "Cecil"lured and baited to leave refuge protection …
When I questioned your "evidence" this was your reply:
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Originally Posted by Teilhard
"Facts" constitute "evidence" ...
And I agree with this statement - facts do indeed constitute evidence. However, there is nothing in the facts that you presented that supports your conclusion that the system was corrupted.
If "population control" is the goal, guys like (the late) "Cecil" could be captured, anesthetized and given a vasectomy … or his harem could be implanted with IUDs … or the cubs could be trapped out …
In fact, in some natural populations, various "birth control" measures have been used for some time ...
my issue is with those who derive pleasure and indeed, joy, from killing other living beings.... so much so that they are willing to pay large sums of money to corrupt governments for the privilege of doing so......
Do you kill your own cows, pigs, and chickens? Or do you pay someone to do so on your behalf? If you pay others to do your dirty work for you, you occupy no moral high ground that would allow you to sling mud at hunters.
And like our resident biologist, Teilhard, you throw around accusations of corruption, when zero evidence has been presented to show that there was any corruption in this case.
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if the white man had not been corrupting the balance of nature there for the last 500 or 600 years or so, it is entirely possible the "cull" would not have even been necessary....
Very possible. But that genie is already out of the bottle. Speculating on what "might have been" does nothing to solve the issues in the reality that we actually face.
People have to have the desire to kill for fun before they request and pay for the permits....
If that is how those people get their jollies.... killing animals being driven right to them for the pure pleasure of killing.... I guess I just don't understand that mindset.... and to be perfectly honest, I'm GLAD I don't understand it....
If the animals can not be relocated, then humane euthanization would be the least distasteful.... or euthanization in a manner that their bodies will not be wasted.....
Well, you'll have a heart attack then, when you find out "driving deer" is perfectly legal in some states right here in the good ole United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And unlike your leftist buddy, I'll provide a link to show I'm correct in what I say...
Simply described, a drive is a strategy in which some hunters are posted along the outskirts of a specified piece of land, and other hunters-and dogs, where it is legal-move through the section pushing deer ahead and to
the sides.
The point that I asked you to support is your statement in this quote:
The "evidence" that you presented is in this quote:
When I questioned your "evidence" this was your reply:
And I agree with this statement - facts do indeed constitute evidence. However, there is nothing in the facts that you presented that supports your conclusion that the system was corrupted.
Where is the evidence of corruption?
The folks posting in favor of "trophy" hunting in Africa
keep on keeping on about the money the money the money involved in "trophy" hunting in Africa…
and the reported fact is that "Cecil" was illegally (corruptly) lured, baited and killed -- in exchange for a large sum of money …
If "population control" is the goal, guys like (the late) "Cecil" could be captured, anesthetized and given a vasectomy … or his harem could be implanted with IUDs … or the cubs could be trapped out …
In fact, in some natural populations, various "birth control" measures have been used for some time ...
Who is going to pay for that for African game? You? You have had the opportunity to tell us all about the resources that you expend on the conservation efforts that you feel are appropriate. So far, all we hear is crickets.
You never do.
Guess what, nobody is going to Google your "article."
I know that …
Nor will they read the other resources I suggested (E. O. Wilson, and Paul Colinvaux) …
Unfortunately, the modern internet connections (e.g., "links" and "Wikipedia") have encouraged excuses and laziness as an alternative to genuine study … *sigh* ...
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