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Old 09-12-2015, 07:47 PM
 
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You might notice the absence of a couple of posters who never fail to show up when this stuff happens.
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Old 09-12-2015, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Tri STATE!!!
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If you read some of the comments on this site and other sites they say that blake acted perfectly . I disagree... Nobody should be that passive when some strange man is tossing them to the ground .
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Old 09-12-2015, 08:30 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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I'd have to hear the cops side of this. The video looks bad, but it may not tell the entire story.

No one is considering the possibility that me have tackled James Blake the way that he did to give himself the tactical advantage in making a Felony arrest. We have no idea whether or not the cop was informed that the "criminal" was known to carry weapons or had a laundry list of violent encounters with the police. Those types of possibilites have to be taken into consideration.

People seem to ignore the fact that what Blake was accused of was a felonious crime. It doesn't have to be a "violent crime" being committed because it is highly likely that any felony is being committed by a potential violent criminal.

Check the NYPD's list of 7 major felony crimes; credit card fraud falls within the definition of Grand Larceny, right next to Robbery, Burglary, Rape and Murder.

It isn't like Jaywalking or Obstructing Traffic with a vehicle, where the officer approaches you questions you and then proceeds to ID you and summons you for a violation.

Felonies are approached and handled very differently. They apprehend first, then they question you. It's for the safety of the officer, the people around him and the criminal himself.
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Old 09-12-2015, 08:40 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Cops are only nice to ladies, they would never give a regular guy a break and most of them enjoys giving out hurt.
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Old 09-12-2015, 08:41 PM
 
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I'd have to hear the cops side of this. The video looks bad, but it may not tell the entire story.

No one is considering the possibility that me have tackled James Blake the way that he did to give himself the tactical advantage in making a Felony arrest. We have no idea whether or not the cop was informed that the "criminal" was known to carry weapons or had a laundry list of violent encounters with the police. Those types of possibilites have to be taken into consideration.

People seem to ignore the fact that what Blake was accused of was a felonious crime. It doesn't have to be a "violent crime" being committed because it is highly likely that any felony is being committed by a potential violent criminal.

Check the NYPD's list of 7 major felony crimes; credit card fraud falls within the definition of Grand Larceny, right next to Robbery, Burglary, Rape and Murder.

It isn't like Jaywalking or Obstructing Traffic with a vehicle, where the officer approaches you questions you and then proceeds to ID you and summons you for a violation.

Felonies are approached and handled very differently. They apprehend first, then they question you. It's for the safety of the officer, the people around him and the criminal himself.
There were multiple cops involved. If the potential crime was so serious then why was he only approached by one cop? Were the others too scared? And if the safety of the officer, the people around him and the criminal himself were so important, why do it in front of one of the busiest hotels in New York and right next to the incredibly busy Grand Central Terminal. And why does the cop who did tackle him to the ground have 5 complaints against him in just a few months and is the subject of two law suits for use of excessive force?

Oh .. and Blake was and is accused of nothing. He is entirely innocent. The cop(s) screwed up.
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Old 09-12-2015, 08:53 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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His point is that the cop doesn't need firing, he needs counseling and maybe retraining. Never mind that he has had 5 complaints against him in just a few months, never mind that he is the subject of two excessive force lawsuits, he is just a poor misguided soul who needs direction.
I wouldn't hold the law suits and complaints against him for the simple fact that he is a plainclothes officer. Chances are, that he is an Anti-Crime cop which specifically targets felony arrests.

Anti-Crime cops are generally involved in extremely dangerous work, and more often than not they have to put their hands on people very quickly which increases the likely hood that someone would make a complaint.
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Old 09-12-2015, 09:00 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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There were multiple cops involved. If the potential crime was so serious then why was he only approached by one cop? Were the others too scared? And if the safety of the officer, the people around him and the criminal himself were so important, why do it in front of one of the busiest hotels in New York and right next to the incredibly busy Grand Central Terminal. And why does the cop who did tackle him to the ground have 5 complaints against him in just a few months and is the subject of two law suits for use of excessive force?

Oh .. and Blake was and is accused of nothing. He is entirely innocent. The cop(s) screwed up.
Who knows why he was approached by one cop. We don't know the particular details of how he spotted Blake. IMO he may have instantaneously spotted him and decided to get him before he could slip away. Who knows.

5 complaints? Who knows, Weren't 4 of the 5 unsubstantiated? Anyone can file a complaint for any reason.

If a police officer hands you a ticket for double parking without a smile, yes you can file a complaint and it will have to be followed up on and reviewed. That's not to be flippant, but people who are being disciplined by a cop can feel as if they aren't being treated fairly.

The fact that he has had 5 complaints in 4 years after making over 150 arrests doesn't seem to hold much weight in my eyes, it actually speaks to his favor.

And you can lie and say anything and file a complaint and there is no penalty for it. Anyone can file a lawsuit as well for any reason. The NYPD is notorious for getting lawsuits and making settlements for just about anything.
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Old 09-12-2015, 09:01 PM
 
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I wouldn't hold the law suits and complaints against him for the simple fact that he is a plainclothes officer. Chances are, that he is an Anti-Crime cop which specifically targets felony arrests.

Anti-Crime cops are generally involved in extremely dangerous work, and more often than not they have to put their hands on people very quickly which increases the likely hood that someone would make a complaint.
Seriously ... that is the biggest load of apologist nonsense I have read in a long time. This guy is a problem cop who should be fired before he seriously injures or kills an innocent.

Cop who tackled James Blake sued 4 times for excessive force - NY Daily News
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Old 09-12-2015, 09:09 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Seriously ... that is the biggest load of apologist nonsense I have read in a long time. This guy is a problem cop who should be fired before he seriously injures or kills an innocent.

Cop who tackled James Blake sued 4 times for excessive force - NY Daily News
Good thing you aren't responsible for making any decisions.

I personally would be against him being disciplined without hearing all of the facts.

His record is nothing unusual for a cop in his position with his number of arrests.
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Old 09-12-2015, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Who knows why he was approached by one cop. We don't know the particular details of how he spotted Blake. IMO he may have instantaneously spotted him and decided to get him before he could slip away. Who knows.
James Blake mistake: NYPD releases video - CNN.com

Sorry, but that has all been well established.

Despite your apologist attitude, both the Mayor and Chief of Police HAVE apologized and acknowledged the situation was out of line and should have been handled differently, regardless of his celebrity status.

Try to keep up.
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