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Old 09-13-2015, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Planet Woof
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Bad cops can't be fired? Well, that's a scarey thought.
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Old 09-13-2015, 06:31 AM
 
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Good thing you aren't responsible for making any decisions.

I personally would be against him being disciplined without hearing all of the facts.

His record is nothing unusual for a cop in his position with his number of arrests.
That's the very point people are trying to make here.....IT SHOULD BE!

They seem to be heading down the path where they'll all be wearing headgear with blacked out face visors and not content until we all take a detour around them to avoid any kind of contact whatsoever.

Gone are the days where a father would walk his toddler up to officer James doing his foot patrol, introduce him and explain that if ever in trouble of any kind run to officer James.

Now it's avoid any and all contact with the police, even to report a crime or accident, as it will always end badly for you.

The real shame is; they've allowed the bad ones to drag them all down to the lowest common denominator instead of demanding better from their peers.
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Old 09-13-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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That's the very point people are trying to make here.....IT SHOULD BE!

They seem to be heading down the path where they'll all be wearing headgear with blacked out face visors and not content until we all take a detour around them to avoid any kind of contact whatsoever.

Gone are the days where a father would walk his toddler up to officer James doing his foot patrol, introduce him and explain that if ever in trouble of any kind run to officer James.

Now it's avoid any and all contact with the police, even to report a crime or accident, as it will always end badly for you.

The real shame is; they've allowed the bad ones to drag them all down to the lowest common denominator instead of demanding better from their peers.

Very true. They need to deal with the bad apples not protect them.
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Old 09-13-2015, 07:58 AM
 
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He will not be fired. He will lose 30 days vacation. He will be placed on one years probation. He will be booted from his plain clothes detail. He will be sent to retraining. Actually he is in more trouble for failing to file any paperwork regarding Mr Blake. If he had filed a SQF it would have protected him. Either way he will not lose his job over this!
Well, they will have to explain why to the world, because Mr. Blake said he is not going to stop speaking about it until the cop loses his job. Remember too the guy already had 2 lawsuits pending for excessive force before this incident, too. The publicity Mr. Blake can bring IMO will lead to a different outcome. The Police Commissioner and Mayor are both supposed to meet with him this week.
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Old 09-13-2015, 07:59 AM
 
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Did the officer not ask Blake for ID before apprehending him? If he did and Blake resisted in providing ID, then i don't see anything wrong with tackling Blake. However, if he just went by the face and tackled him without any identification being asked, then the officer should be fired.
Not only did he not ask Blake for ID, he never even identified himself as a cop. The video is very clear, and very short. He just ran up to him and tackled him out of nowhere.
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Old 09-13-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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The Policeman had only four years experience. The NYPD does not seem to retain it's older officers. Perhaps, that is the problem?
So? What's your point?

The schoolteacher only had 2 years experience, she didn't know she wasn't supposed to undress in front of her 3rd grade class.

Enough with the excuses. "If your aunt had balls she would have been your uncle".

And the taxpayers of NYC who are paying out all those highly inflated pensions beg to differ with you on retention. I grew up in NY and know several cops and retired cops, VERY RARELY do they leave the force.

Why do you think so many people leave NY? Due to the taxes of paying out ridiculously high pensions to cops and firefighters. They're getting more in pensions than most people do in actual salaries.

Yes, it's a tough job, but the pensions are over the top. So I don't know where you think retention is a problem. Now if you mean they retire as soon as they can, yes, who wouldn't. With the pension they're getting, again it's a lot more than your average office worker or other lines of work.
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Old 09-13-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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I'd have to hear the cops side of this. The video looks bad, but it may not tell the entire story.

No one is considering the possibility that me have tackled James Blake the way that he did to give himself the tactical advantage in making a Felony arrest. We have no idea whether or not the cop was informed that the "criminal" was known to carry weapons or had a laundry list of violent encounters with the police. Those types of possibilites have to be taken into consideration.

People seem to ignore the fact that what Blake was accused of was a felonious crime. It doesn't have to be a "violent crime" being committed because it is highly likely that any felony is being committed by a potential violent criminal.

Check the NYPD's list of 7 major felony crimes; credit card fraud falls within the definition of Grand Larceny, right next to Robbery, Burglary, Rape and Murder.

It isn't like Jaywalking or Obstructing Traffic with a vehicle, where the officer approaches you questions you and then proceeds to ID you and summons you for a violation.

Felonies are approached and handled very differently. They apprehend first, then they question you. It's for the safety of the officer, the people around him and the criminal himself.

whoa there buddy, you have jumped the shark here.


The police DID NOT HAVE A POSITIVE ID..

I am shouting that because you have deluded yourself into thinking the cops had a positive ID THEY DID NOT. All the cops had was a report from a member of the public, that is worth about 2 cents in court and it more often wrong than right.

DO you get it?
Dou you understand?

The cops decided to tackle this dude before determining who it is. Frankly how would you feel if I called the police and told them your wife or daughter was xyz and they got a good beat down before the cops even bothered to ask their name.


Remember,, the cops do not have the right to put their safety before mine, and time and time and time again we see cops grossly over reacting and then claiming it was a safety issue, when the truth is the public receive injury after injury, humiliation after humiliation and all to ensure the cops don't bear any risk at all.
In fact being a cop is not nearly as dangerous as driving a taxi, and that is because the taxi drivers dont place their risks on the publics shoulders like cops do.
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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Well, they will have to explain why to the world, because Mr. Blake said he is not going to stop speaking about it until the cop loses his job. Remember too the guy already had 2 lawsuits pending for excessive force before this incident, too. The publicity Mr. Blake can bring IMO will lead to a different outcome. The Police Commissioner and Mayor are both supposed to meet with him this week.
They can explain it all they like. By the time this goes to department trial it will be at least a couple of years from now. Mr Blake can scream all he likes. I contend that he will not lose his job. Once the lawyers get a hold of this his job will be saved. Even if he is fired they will have to rehire him or pay him off. The reason being they will be able to see all the other PO's that were not fired for similar incidents. They will have past precedent on their side.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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I would bet the cop gets fired. From all appearances the cop is dead wrong here. He has a past history. He attacked a fairly high profile black guy. DeBlasio is not a big friend of the cops. Say goodbye to your fat police pension.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:02 AM
 
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Yeah, there are cops who had done far worse, but ended up laughing all the way to the bank.

LAPD Officers Who Shot Unarmed Man With Autism Awarded Millions In Discrimination Lawsuit
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