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Old 09-13-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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Have you served? What was your MOS?
Have served and still serving in the Marine Corps.

Now explain to me how accuracy isn't important in combat.
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Have served and still serving in the Marine Corps.

Now explain to me how accuracy isn't important in combat.
Do you care if you hit with every bullet? Does it matter if you hit with the first bullet or the third bullet? What is your MOS?
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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I am talking US Army Infantry. You are talking Call Of Duty, movies and Cowboys and Indians.

You do not, and will not, understand what I am saying. I have no problem with that.

Have a nice day.
SO no more ACOGs? Guess we can reduce marksmanship training as well for infantry. Whats the worst that can happen?
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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Do you care if you hit with every bullet? Does it matter if you hit with the first bullet or the third bullet? What is your MOS?
No. I am not infantry. However, hitting your target is important. I dare you to go up to any infantry unit and ask if they would rather his or miss with their shots. Hitting your target is better then not hitting it. I really cannot imagine why you would possible think otherwise.
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:59 AM
 
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Grenada, the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beirut and a little thing called the Cold War that you may have heard of.

Also Stripes had a great influence on my young mind.
Grenada was little more than a single battle in the scope of Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc. Were you deployed there? Beirut did not increase deployments. If anything it resulted in fewer. The cold war caused deployments to go up in Germany, England, South Korea, etc. Not the same as actual combat. I am not trying to diminish your service. I thank you for serving. I am just pointing out that you served at a time when having a significant number of personnel on board that could or would not serve in combat, did not make much of a difference to those that could and did.

So, you were influenced by an anti military spoof of the day?
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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No. I am not infantry. However, hitting your target is important. I dare you to go up to any infantry unit and ask if they would rather his or miss with their shots. Hitting your target is better then not hitting it. I really cannot imagine why you would possible think otherwise.
I agree that you would rather hit your target but often you will be firing at targets you do not even see. That does not mean you are missing or that you should care if you do. You are missing the point. You do not understand. You are thinking COD I am thinking that I am part of a squad, platoon, battalion and that we are all firing at the enemy.

Sure you could take your time and carefully aim every shot and do that one shot, one kill BS or you can send 10 rounds down range which can hit and also have other effects.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Grenada was little more than a single battle in the scope of Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc. Were you deployed there? Beirut did not increase deployments. If anything it resulted in fewer. The cold war caused deployments to go up in Germany, England, South Korea, etc. Not the same as actual combat. I am not trying to diminish your service. I thank you for serving. I am just pointing out that you served at a time when having a significant number of personnel on board that could or would not serve in combat, did not make much of a difference to those that could and did.
there were no women in my MOS. Yours? . . .
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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I agree that you would rather hit your target but often you will be firing at targets you do not even see. That does not mean you are missing or that you should care if you do. You are missing the point. You do not understand. You are thinking COD I am thinking that I am part of a squad, platoon, battalion and that we are all firing at the enemy.

Sure you could take your time and carefully aim every shot and do that one shot, one kill BS or you can send 10 rounds down range which can hit and also have other effects.
Why is it you are equating combat accuracy with one shot one kill? Nobody here has claimed that but you.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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SO no more ACOGs? Guess we can reduce marksmanship training as well for infantry. Whats the worst that can happen?
I am sorry your wife being a better marksman than you has blinded you to what I am speaking about.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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I agree that you would rather hit your target but often you will be firing at targets you do not even see. That does not mean you are missing or that you should care if you do. You are missing the point. You do not understand. You are thinking COD I am thinking that I am part of a squad, platoon, battalion and that we are all firing at the enemy.

Sure you could take your time and carefully aim every shot and do that one shot, one kill BS or you can send 10 rounds down range which can hit and also have other effects.
Im not thinking COD. Im thinking what training has taught. Yes you can send 10 round down range and hit the target. Question is, why? Why waste the time and ammo when you can also do the same damage with one shot.

You are talking about suppressive fire. That is not all that combat is. Do you know what suppressive fire is? Its fire so that others can maneuver to get a better shot at the target. Do you know why they try to get a better shot? So they can hit the target.

Please. Find me anything that is written that states that it is not important to hit your target.
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