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Old 09-11-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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In the Marines, everyone is a rifleman. Your MOS may take you in a different direction but push come to shove, you may be called upon to be in the infantry.



Let me present you a letter written home from a farm kid that's now in the Marines.

Dear Ma and Pa,

I am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer the Marine Corps beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before all of the places are filled. ...

I was restless at first because you get to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m. But I am getting so I like to sleep late. Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot, and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing.

Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there's warm water. Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other regular food. But tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by the two city boys that live on coffee. Their food, plus yours, holds you until noon when you get fed again. It's no wonder these city boys can't walk much.

We go on 'route marches,' which the platoon sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it's not my place to tell him different. A 'route march' is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks.

The sergeant is like a school teacher. He nags a lot. The Captain is like the school board. Majors and colonels just ride around and frown. They don't bother you none.

This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don't know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk head and don't move, and it ain't shooting at you like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don't even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes.

Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they break easy. It ain't like fighting with that ole bull at home. I'm about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in Silver Lake. I only beat him once. He joined up the same time as me, but I'm only 5'6' and 130 pounds and he's 6'8' and near 300 pounds dry.

Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in.

Your loving daughter,
Alice
Thats cute. Also included in the study was the fact that female shooters were less accurate. At rest I imagine men and women shoot the same, the issue tho is that combat shooting is not at rest. The comment about injury and wrestling is just LOL worthy.
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Old 09-11-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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Tell me why The Ancient Greeks in the army were encouraged to be gay because they would fight more forcefully for their lover?
What does this have to do with the modern military and womens place in it?
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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This is nothing new:
And, it is morally wrong but we've decided being politically correct is more important.
Exactly

The military has gone from the job of attacking the enemy with the greatest lethal force possible, to attempting to be PC with social experimentation.
But as some of the libs love to say, "diversity is our greatest strength".
WRONG
Having the best fighting force capable of killing with the least chance of our own soldiers getting killed is our greatest strength!
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:12 PM
 
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Tell me why The Ancient Greeks in the army were encouraged to be gay because they would fight more forcefully for their lover?
I think you just answered your own question to your own satisfaction.
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:14 PM
 
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In the Marines, everyone is a rifleman. Your MOS may take you in a different direction but push come to shove, you may be called upon to be in the infantry.



Let me present you a letter written home from a farm kid that's now in the Marines.

Dear Ma and Pa,

I am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer the Marine Corps beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before all of the places are filled. ...

I was restless at first because you get to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m. But I am getting so I like to sleep late. Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot, and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing.

Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there's warm water. Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other regular food. But tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by the two city boys that live on coffee. Their food, plus yours, holds you until noon when you get fed again. It's no wonder these city boys can't walk much.

We go on 'route marches,' which the platoon sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it's not my place to tell him different. A 'route march' is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks.

The sergeant is like a school teacher. He nags a lot. The Captain is like the school board. Majors and colonels just ride around and frown. They don't bother you none.

This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don't know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk head and don't move, and it ain't shooting at you like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don't even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes.

Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they break easy. It ain't like fighting with that ole bull at home. I'm about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in Silver Lake. I only beat him once. He joined up the same time as me, but I'm only 5'6' and 130 pounds and he's 6'8' and near 300 pounds dry.

Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in.

Your loving daughter,
Alice
Cheesy internet chain letters prove everything. Thank you.
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:27 PM
 
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What does this have to do with the modern military and womens place in it?
You do know West Point Cadets study ancient battles and warfare?
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:30 PM
 
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You do know West Point Cadets study ancient battles and warfare?
With one of the biggest reasons being so they don't repeat mistakes.
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:34 PM
 
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Women have less muscle mass, particularly upper body (thus less brute physical strength), their reaction times are less and men have an easily aroused sexuality. A woman in the midst of a high testosterone situation (such as combat) is a distraction to men and decreases their combat effectiveness.
If women can "distract" male soldiers by getting them aroused, those male soldiers need to get a grip and control themselves. If what you are saying is true it sort of makes me wonder what might happen if a male surgeon operates on an attractive female, will he be so out of control that he will botch the surgery?
Regarding muscle mass and 'brute strength' when is the last time we had an American Soldier wrestle with the enemy? And reaction times...do we test male recruits for reaction time, because I am quite sure it varies among individuals and if it were that critical then it should be a criteria upon which acceptance into the military is based, right?
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:38 PM
 
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If women can "distract" male soldiers by getting them aroused, those male soldiers need to get a grip and control themselves. If what you are saying is true it sort of makes me wonder what might happen if a male surgeon operates on an attractive female, will he be so out of control that he will botch the surgery?
Regarding muscle mass and 'brute strength' when is the last time we had an American Soldier wrestle with the enemy? And reaction times...do we test male recruits for reaction time, because I am quite sure it varies among individuals and if it were that critical then it should be a criteria upon which acceptance into the military is based, right?
FYI women in the field don't look like women, throw not bathing for months on end and wearing a uniform which is very masculine...I doubt these big bad men would want that...they would, probably, prefer a sock.
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:40 PM
 
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With one of the biggest reasons being so they don't repeat mistakes.
I am sure they study the successes as well.
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