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And people wonder why their needs to be a choice to vaccination?
Yes, I do wonder, and I can only chalk it up to total ignorance about history, the way people died, not two or three at a time, but by the hundreds or thousands, in the days before vaccinations.
Your unvaccinated child is at low risk to catch a vaccine preventable disease only because other families do vaccinate their children.
Many of the vaccines on the childhood schedule have no known serious adverse effects. The risk of a serious adverse effect from measles vaccine - fatal and non fatal - is about one in a million, a number so small it is difficult to grasp. That is truly "vanishingly small". The risk of dying from measles, if you catch it, is about one in a thousand.
You can only choose to not vaccinate your child and be confident that your child will not be exposed to the disease that vaccine prevents is if almost everyone else does get the vaccine. If you live in a community that has very low vaccination rates, then the risk of exposure to a single person who has brought the disease to the US increases.
That is why the last few years have seen bigger outbreaks, and a significant number of those who get infected are babies too young to be vaccinated, even though their parents planned to do so when the child was old enough.
Forgive us if we feel your "parental protective instincts" are unacceptable when they put other families at risk.
Hey, Suzy, vaccine immunity isn't the ONLY immunity there is. Why don't you ever talk about that? Babies too young? Well, that is where their mother's breastfeeding immunity comes into play. No? Again, with YOUR pushing vaccine agenda, that is not a factor either.
The ONLY immunity is a vaccinated immunity to you.
The children were injected, not by a physician, or even a nurse, but by a cleaning person. I doubt this was a straight measles vaccine. It was probably the MMR, since I don't think that straight measles vaccine is even still manufactured. In any event, it's a vaccine that you need to reconstitute with a diluent. It sounds like the cleaning person may have reconstituted it with something else, probably something toxic.
Saying we shouldn't get vaccinated because of an event like this is akin to saying we should not ever eat, because we might get food poisoning from improperly prepared or improperly preserved food.
Hey, Suzy, vaccine immunity isn't the ONLY immunity there is. Why don't you ever talk about that? Babies too young? Well, that is where their mother's breastfeeding immunity comes into play. No? Again, with YOUR pushing vaccine agenda, that is not a factor either.
The ONLY immunity is a vaccinated immunity to you.
Passive immunity from breast feeding only lasts a few weeks, and it is improved by vaccinating the mother, especially as far as pertussis and influenza are concerned. I have never said that breast feeding is not protective.
You accuse me of disregarding the fact that having a disease confers immunity despite the fact that I have never done so. I have often pointed out to you that you and I are part of the immune herd for diseases we had before there were vaccines for them, even though you vehemently do not want to be a part of those herds.
I have never said, "The ONLY immunity is a vaccinated immunity." Kindly stop saying so.
The problem with acquiring immunity to measles the way you and I did is that we had to be sick for it to happen. You and I were lucky, surviving with no long term complications. That is not true of everyone.
The children were injected, not by a physician, or even a nurse, but by a cleaning person. I doubt this was a straight measles vaccine. It was probably the MMR, since I don't think that straight measles vaccine is even still manufactured. In any event, it's a vaccine that you need to reconstitute with a diluent. It sounds like the cleaning person may have reconstituted it with something else, probably something toxic.
Saying we shouldn't get vaccinated because of an event like this is akin to saying we should not ever eat, because we might get food poisoning from improperly prepared or improperly preserved food.
Waited for six pages to see someone point this out. Why did it take so long?
Passive immunity from breast feeding only lasts a few weeks, and it is improved by vaccinating the mother, especially as far as pertussis and influenza are concerned. I have never said that breast feeding is not protective.
You accuse me of disregarding the fact that having a disease confers immunity despite the fact that I have never done so. I have often pointed out to you that you and I are part of the immune herd for diseases we had before there were vaccines for them, even though you vehemently do not want to be a part of those herds.
I have never said, "The ONLY immunity is a vaccinated immunity." Kindly stop saying so.
The problem with acquiring immunity to measles the way you and I did is that we had to be sick for it to happen. You and I were lucky, surviving with no long term complications. That is not true of everyone.
Don't forget the lovely possible side effect of getting Shingles due to prior Chicken Pox infection. My brother got Shingles and it was NOT fun or pretty.
On another note, I grew up with a kid who contracted Polio. I bet his parents and him wished he'd gotten a polio shot. He had to walk with leg braces then graduated to crutches but always had a deformed weak leg. Man, the things (tricks and such) he could do on crutches, very impressive!
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Reason: Mistake on Measles VS Chicken Pops (Pox)
Don't forget the lovely possible side effect of getting Shingles due to prior Chicken Pox infection. My brother got Shingles and it was NOT fun or pretty.
On another note, I grew up with a kid who contracted Polio. I bet his parents and him wished he'd gotten a polio shot. He had to walk with leg braces then graduated to crutches but always had a deformed weak leg. Man, the things (tricks and such) he could do on crutches, very impressive!
My parents grew up in Georgia near the Warm Springs Foundation (my Dad and an Aunt actually worked there for a while) and had a close up view of polio. One of my mother's cousins married a man who had had it. He used leg braces and the forearm crutches. Late in life he had post-polio syndrome, which placed him in a wheelchair. Did my parents welcome the polio vaccine? You bet your life they did!
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My brother got Shingles and it was NOT fun or pretty.
