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Again, I feel it's in the presentation, he went in angry, you get anger back.
If she didn't willingly go with him, I still feel his over the top reaction in using excessive force was enough for him to loose his job.
One can catch more using honey than vinegar, KWIM.
In this particular incident, this student lost her mother and grandmother within a six month time period and is now in the foster care system, which I believe the school and teacher would know.
So, how about a little tenderness instead of being so angry to the point that you loose your temper.
A little love does go along way, especially when dealing with a teenager who had their entire lives rocked by the loss of two woman in a short time.
But you didn't answer the question. What if she tells him "no" ?
Should he just leave the room then and let her do her own thing ?
Again, I feel it's in the presentation, he went in angry, you get anger back.
If she didn't willingly go with him, I still feel his over the top reaction in using excessive force was enough for him to loose his job.
One can catch more using honey than vinegar, KWIM.
In this particular incident, this student lost her mother and grandmother within a six month time period and is now in the foster care system, which I believe the school and teacher would know.
So, how about a little tenderness instead of being so angry to the point that you loose your temper.
A little love does go along way, especially when dealing with a teenager who had their entire lives rocked by the loss of two woman in a short time.
No, seems intuitive that they would, but because of privacy laws most places they do not tell teachers this. Foster parents are not allowed to tell schools why a kid ended up in foster care, if they even know, for the same reason. I learned to always ask new students why they moved to my school. Most in the system would tell me that information and it really helped me figure out the best way to respond to them, but I once had a counselor tell I shouldn't ask.
I think it is a very shortsighted policy. I agree that knowing that information may have made all the difference in the outcome of this incident.
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You cannot blame the school for this. 25 years ago the school would have paddled the kid when they misbehaved in elementary school and if that did not teach them proper behavior, kicked them out when they became a real problem as an adolescent. The reason you did not see it back then is simply because those highly troubled kids were not in the schools. Often they were in a separate building with other troubled kids, or in state custody as juvenile offenders. Nowadays most of the discipline methods schools used to control kids have been removed or curtailed. I don't think a school can spank kids anywhere in America, even things like time outs are often discouraged. The kids have learned there are no real consequences the school can use in response to their behavior. The schools only recourse is to bring in school resource officers who have a badge and law enforcement credentials. The reason we have this situation today is because society has liberalized to the point that discipline and order are breaking down. We worried that spanking taught violent behavior, too much discipline harmed the poor special snowflakes self esteem, and for goodness sakes we don't want to crush their individuality. Most kids don't have afterschool jobs or chores anymore, they have everything they want and they do whatever they want. They never learned the word "no". We have completely changed the way kids are raised up in this nation in a very short period of time. No one likes the heavy hand of authority, but the alternative is so much worse. We are now getting a taste of the alternative. Lock your doors folks, don't go out after dark for the future we created is here.
And guess who these degenerates will vote for if they come of age.
No, seems intuitive that they would, but because of privacy laws most places they do not tell teachers this. Foster parents are not allowed to tell schools why a kid ended up in foster care, if they even know, for the same reason. I learned to always ask new students why they moved to my school. Most in the system would tell me that information and it really helped me figure out the best way to respond to them, but I once had a counselor tell I shouldn't ask.
I think it is a very shortsighted policy. I agree that knowing that information may have made all the difference in the outcome of this incident.
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Thank you for saying so.
I believe everything isn't black and white, there is grey area that would help to know the broader picture.
In this case, I think it would have helped greatly.
I also thought the school would have known her situation with two deaths in six months time if she was enrolled in that school at that time.
She's only 15, so nothing is known about her since she is a juvenile and what a horrible experience this must have been for her.
I hope her attorney and foster parents get her counseling.
And guess who these degenerates will vote for if they come of age.
Enough of them have been voting, and hence we have todays leaders. The election of 2008 was the first one these special snowflakes had a huge say in, then again in 2012. Millions more come of age each year, while millions of responsible older Americans pass on. We are doomed.
But it all goes back to.."why didn't she just give up the phone to the teacher ?"
None of this would have happened if she didn't pull out the phone and if she did give it up when asked.
And again, no one knows what was going on in her mind and yes, some said that and are not excusing her behavior.
I did read where she profusely apologized to the teacher for taking out the phone. Yet when the teacher wanted her to hand it over, again, she kept apologizing. Then after not handing it over, she sends her to the Principals office which again, she refused. Maybe in her circumstance it would have been a nicer gesture to give that second chance but a rule is a rule and not ever meant to be broken.
So what would the problem be if the teacher accepted her apology and gave her a second chance.
Enough of them have been voting, and hence we have todays leaders. The election of 2008 was the first one these special snowflakes had a huge say in, then again in 2012. Millions more come of age each year, while millions of responsible older Americans pass on. We are doomed.
Reading the last few posts from him and the other poster, it seems like they mean people who were not disciplined when needed as students.
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