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No, it hasn't been. There's been a lot of hand waving and a lot of dismissal toward legitimate issues, and a lot of basically "feel good" arguments, but no logical, reasonable, justification of why we should waste time and money down a closed path. What value does it bring to counteract the cost? What is the benefit when the answer is still can't be hired? The problem is you're trying to pretend that somehow the end answer will change. It won't. The information is too sensitive and the risk too great.
The cost of not being able to throw out all applicants who admit to a felony would be very small if anything at all. 15 or 20 years ago you couldn't obtain a criminal history unless the job had to do with public safety or a vulnerable population, i.e. children, sick people, the elderly. But somehow HR departments were able to staff positions without knowing who had a conviction because they knew how to read an application; you look for lapses of employment, no solid address history and you check references. The world didn't fall, the economy didn't collapse. And by the way 13 states already have ban the box laws Ban-the-Box Movement Goes Viral and if was the burden to employers that you are making it out to be, why don't we hear about it? Only place I've ever heard this argument is in this thread.
That anyone should be penalized over and over again FOR LIFE for something they may have done even decades before is a sad indictment on our pathetic and paranoid society. I might even go so far as to say that I would favor at least some of the 'ex-cons' over the unforgiving, pathetic, paranoid and sanctimonious bunch who've so far participated in this particular thread . . .
That anyone should be penalized over and over again FOR LIFE for something they may have done even decades before is a sad indictment on our pathetic and paranoid society. I might even go so far as to say that I would favor at least some of the 'ex-cons' over the unforgiving, pathetic, paranoid and sanctimonious bunch who've so far participated in this particular thread . . .
Cool!
You hire em.
(Tell me I'm wrong to suggest that you're not an employer.)
That anyone should be penalized over and over again FOR LIFE for something they may have done even decades before is a sad indictment on our pathetic and paranoid society. I might even go so far as to say that I would favor at least some of the 'ex-cons' over the unforgiving, pathetic, paranoid and sanctimonious bunch who've so far participated in this particular thread . . .
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Originally Posted by Speleothem
Cool!
You hire em.
(Tell me I'm wrong to suggest that you're not an employer.)
I refer you to post 242, page 25 by jimj who makes a very valid point. He/she says:
Prior to the internet and all this so called "need for security" people must have been violated in their own homes and at work on a daily basis in every town and city in this nation.
Prior to this hysteria (in the last 10-15 years or so) over convicted criminals we were under extreme danger from everyone we were ever around. Who knew???
People were dropping like flies back in the 90's and before, robbed,beaten,raped and murdered en masse...
I hate Big Brother. Can't you tell? Big Brother has done nothing more than to promote paranoia and mistrust toward others in society and this cannot be a good thing no matter how one attempts to justify it.
Did you run a background check on everyone who has disagreed with you in this threadl? What did you find out about me, I'd love to know
You've posted no reference from an employers perspective. Only emotional arguments. I'd love to know who does yours for free?
I ask my pre employees if they do drugs as well and let them know their lie will cost me 120 dollars and I'd rather not waste it. I can't hire people who do drugs either, my insurance insures me of this.
What would you do? If you were an employer, would you do background checks? You're making a good argument against background checks for firearm purchases. Every criminal is a "first time felon" once.
Regarding background checks for firearms, I think there should be some time after a felony conviction for a non-violent crime, maybe 5 years with no police contact when a person can submit an application to have a review for reinstatement of gun rights. I knew a 65 year old man who couldn't buy a gun because he stole a car when he was 18, he ended up being a very wealthy contractor and never broke another law but still couldn't own a gun - IMO that is nuts.
Whether or not I did a criminal records check would depend on the job I was hiring for. If I'm hiring a landscape crew, or staff for a commercial kitchen or construction job site, no - I can't think of any reason to worry about their record. If I'm going to hire someone who was going to be handling cash I might do a background check but I would be more interested in a credit check, that's a greater predictor of whether an employee will steal than a criminal history check. If they were going to be handling large sums of money I would have them bonded and leave it up the bonding company to decide if they were bondable. If I was hiring day care providers, nurses, armed guards, teachers, I would definitely do a background check and check references very carefully. If I was hiring a truck driver I would base my decision on their DMV record and references.
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