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Not allowing people to protect their property just creates victims.
What always comes up is people saying no one deserves to be killed for stealing. Think about that, no one is saying anyone "deserves" to be killed for stealing, only that if you decide to steal, you are the one putting your life at risk. If you gamble and lose it, that is your own fault.
Those people just crack me up.
How about the fact that I work for a living and earned what I bought. I don't "deserve" to have MY stuff stolen from me, the stuff that I worked hard to buy.
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Did the kids have a weapon? A knife, or bat?
Does it matter?
Do you not realize that numbers, size and strength are discrepancies of force?
You're implying that someone has to be armed in order to be dangerous.
How about a teenage robber (think the size of mike brown) strong arm robbing your grandmother. He's not armed so therefore he's not dangerous...
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Keep your hands off other people's stuff. Don't sneak into other people's homes or cars while they sleep. Don't sass, flee or pull guns and knives on those we arm and give the authority to uphold our laws and protect us. Don't hang out with those who do. Treat your neighbor the way you want your mama treated...or yourself. Easy things to do. Do them. Ya won't get shot by anybody.
If these little fockers didn't know they were doing wrong, they wouldn't scatter like cockroaches when the lights come on. Just because you don't see a gun in their hands, doesn't mean there isn't one tucked down the front of their baggy pants. Shoot first. Frisk later.
Bad things happen to those punks and then their parent(s) wonder why.
I live a law abiding life as I'm sure most of us here on CD do.
Why is that such a hard concept for some people to grasp?
That is a valid point, but does it also apply to the morons at the Bundy ranch and their supporter? Bundy has stolen from the public for years. His supporters are aiding that theft. Should they risk capital punishment- in this case from the state? Or, do only ghetto kids get executed for theft.
Likewise, I wonder how many people on this forum who are getting erections over the execution of this car burglar would have those same erections if the State started using deadly force with very flimsy pretenses against those who owed back taxes or child support (failure to pay either is a form of theft- right?).
At the end of the day, my bet the answer for many is: Capital punishment for theft: Is understandable, excusable, justifiable, or accepted so long as..... the executed person does not look, think or act like I do, or someone I know.
Don't be ridiculous.
Not one person here and no rational person on the planet believes theft or nonviolent crime should get the death penalty. Many don't believe in capital punishment in any circumstance.
But to participate in activities that make the world more uncertain, more insecure, or more dangerous is the most likely thing to get you in danger. Whether that is robbing a home, stealing a car, starting a ponzi scheme, or cheating on your spouse.
You disrupt the peace and add to the entropy...don't be surprised when all hell is unleashed.
Let's see...
A "gang" of boys commits criminal trespass late at night...
(Yes, three does constitute a "gang" IMO!)
Then they rummage through a vehicle to see if they can find some money...
They get caught, they run, and one gets shot...
It brings to mind another antique aphorism:
"If ya don' wanna do the time, don' do the crime!"
That is a valid point, but does it also apply to the morons at the Bundy ranch and their supporter? Bundy has stolen from the public for years. His supporters are aiding that theft. Should they risk capital punishment- in this case from the state? Or, do only ghetto kids get executed for theft.
Likewise, I wonder how many people on this forum who are getting erections over the execution of this car burglar would have those same erections if the State started using deadly force with very flimsy pretenses against those who owed back taxes or child support (failure to pay either is a form of theft- right?).
At the end of the day, my bet the answer for many is: Capital punishment for theft: Is understandable, excusable, justifiable, or accepted so long as..... the executed person does not look, think or act like I do, or someone I know.
I'm not for killing someone stealing from a car, but I am definitely okay with people killing someone who breaks into their house. You never know intent when you're in the house and someone breaks in. Most likely if someone is breaking into your house while you are there, they are willing to beat, rape or kill the people occupying the house. Anyone who breaks into a person's home should understand that there is a big possibility that the person inside can kill them, and most would feel it was justified self-defense.
There should be outrage over the loss of life. Not outrage because of the color of their skin.
People are not looking to save lives with these protests, they are looking to punish only certain kinds of people.
Yea people who are committing crimes. These yoofs crossed the line when they jumped the fence onto private property and then opened a car and began looking for things to take which were not theirs.
Trespassing and robbery were already being committed when the home owner appeared and shot them.
%100 justified and while it's sad a person lost their life its also sad they were so young and out so late doing these things and sad their parents didn't teach them better or control them. The dead kid brought it upon himself as well as his parents. If I were the home owner I would proactively sue the parents of the dead kid and claim since he was their responsibility that they should be held liable for civil damages, mental anguish, and a host of other things. While I'm sure the parents have nothing it will at least send a message to other parents that they will be legally held responsible for what their child does while they are minors.
Unfortunately what will probably end up happening is the dead kids parents will sue the homeowner and in a twisted world they will actually win some sort of judgement. The homeowner might even lose his house, simply because three yoofs were hungry at 1200am and these innocent kids felt justified or entitled to jump fences and rummage through cars looking for something their parents should have already been providing them, food and snacks in their own home that late at night.
Not one person here and no rational person on the planet believes theft or nonviolent crime should get the death penalty. Many don't believe in capital punishment in any circumstance.
Have you read the posts here- espescially the "cockroach" type comments or the "he deserved it" type comments? Half of the posters seem to be sexually aroused that a 13 year old received de facto capital punishment for burglary of a car. (and no, I am not anti gun)
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Originally Posted by stan4
But to participate in activities that make the world more uncertain, more insecure, or more dangerous is the most likely thing to get you in danger. Whether that is robbing a home, stealing a car, starting a ponzi scheme, or cheating on your spouse.
You disrupt the peace and add to the entropy...don't be surprised when all hell is unleashed.
Have you read the posts here- espescially the "cockroach" type comments or the "he deserved it" type comments? Half of the posters seem to be sexually aroused that a 13 year old received de facto capital punishment for burglary of a car. (and no, I am not anti gun)
I don't think they are advocating the deaths of these people.
They're just not bemoaning them.
See the difference?
I'm not sad, either. Another person who would in all likelihood caused there to be more unhappiness on earth is snuffed out...? Ok, I am a little sad. Sad that he had the kind of parents and childhood that led to this. But not sad that my son won't have to share the earth with him 20 years from now.
Why did he have to shoot at the kids? Couldn't he have fired a shot over their heads to scare them off?
And give them time to shoot back? That's never a good idea. Ever. If you are going to use a weapon use it but don't mess around with it. That two shots in the air from grand dad's shotgun is mythical.
I'm not for killing someone stealing from a car, but I am definitely okay with people killing someone who breaks into their house. You never know intent when you're in the house and someone breaks in. Most likely if someone is breaking into your house while you are there, they are willing to beat, rape or kill the people occupying the house. Anyone who breaks into a person's home should understand that there is a big possibility that the person inside can kill them, and most would feel it was justified self-defense.
I agree with you. Though I personally would never automatically use lethal force against somebody burglarizing my home just because "I can", such a burglar would be taking a large risk. Likewise, it would be very difficult for me to second guess another person who used lethal force while defending a home, even if they used it in circumstances that I would not have.
As for cars, the shooter would really need to show me why he needed verse "needed" to kill the burglar. Many of my views on weapons dont allow me to fit well into the NRA camp or the Gun control camp.
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I'm not sad, either. Another person who would in all likelihood caused there to be more unhappiness on earth is snuffed out...? Ok, I am a little sad. Sad that he had the kind of parents and childhood that led to this. But not sad that my son won't have to share the earth with him 20 years from now.
I have three children and still would not champion the "need" to kill this kid. I am not PC as I realize that this kid was probably going to be a burden on society. At the same time, I am not a social cleanser either and thus dont think he deserved death and still mourn his loss. In the early part of the last century, Planned Parenthood advocated the mass sterilization / abortion of blacks and to a lesser degree Appalachian whites because they deemed them to be socially unproductive and prone to crime. I am not accussing you of going "Planned Parenthood", but social cleansing can be a slippery slope.
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