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Old 06-27-2017, 03:46 PM
 
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I CAN guarantee there's no way to prove that they shouldn't have children.

A tragedy? Yup. Something we should start punishing before the act? Nope.
This one in TX wasn't an accident, neither was the one in Georgia where the father did it on purpose as well.

They need to be investigated to determine that.
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Old 06-27-2017, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Of the people who accidentally leave the kids in the car, 33% of the time it's the dad, 28% of the time it's the mom, and other caregivers to a lesser extent.

That's statistically very relevant. Of the number of cartrips with one parent and a preschooler, what percent are the dad driving? My guess is less than 20%. Just a guess. For them to be responsible for 33% of the unintentional forgotten heat stroke deaths is significant. Very.
It makes sense. Dad's are not the primary care giver and thus take far fewer car trips with the kids in the back seat. Therefore they are not reflexively retrieving the children after they park.
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Old 06-27-2017, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Hamburg, Deutschland
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So this is a very interesting graphic. It describes the demographics of people who accidentally leave kids in the car, and the child dies of heatstroke. (Also statistics for intentional leaving, and kids getting into cars during play, etc.)

Of the people who accidentally leave the kids in the car, 33% of the time it's the dad, 28% of the time it's the mom, and other caregivers to a lesser extent.

That's statistically very relevant. Of the number of cartrips with one parent and a preschooler, what percent are the dad driving? My guess is less than 20%. Just a guess. For them to be responsible for 33% of the unintentional forgotten heat stroke deaths is significant. Very.

No Heat Stroke
Yes. Men just do not bond with children the way mothers do.
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Old 06-27-2017, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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I'd heard someone invented an alarm to prevent leaving a child in your car....Perhaps these should be made mandatory, like baby/child safety car seats are.

Here are a couple of links:
Boy creates invention to save babies from being left in hot cars | WGN-TV
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...nder&FORM=IGRE
As discussed here many times before, this would probably be at best only a partial solution.
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Old 06-27-2017, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Yes. Men just do not bond with children the way mothers do.
I am so sorry for you.
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:02 PM
 
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When this topic comes up, I always recommend reading these two pieces to have a better understanding of this far from straight forward occurrence.

Not the mother in this particular example, who is clearly a defective human being who deserves to have the fullest extent of the law applied against her, but for more context around the horrible tragedy of when these terrible events are truly an accident.

Washington Post Magazine: Fatal Distraction -- Kids, Cars and Hyperthermia

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...=.cde994f4af5b
I read this article 5 years ago--it's one of the best pieces of journalism I've ever seen.
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:04 PM
 
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This time it was done purposely but it makes me wonder about all the other times the parents said it was an accident.

Texas Mother Accused of Leaving 2 Children to Die in Hot Car to Teach a 'Lesson' - NBC News
It's hard to have a kids die in a hot car in December in most parts of the US so yes, it is starting again.
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:09 PM
 
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Yes. Men just do not bond with children the way mothers do.
You mean men like me that raised their kids alone after their mom died? Please, tell me more.

Don't project your poor family social situation on the rest of us. Thanks.

I'd ask your more questions but I don't want to overwhelm your female brain. (Please note, this is intentional stereotypical commentary from 30 years ago best used only in rebuttal to such an archaic claim of mens roles and involvment in child rearing.)
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:11 PM
 
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This time it was done purposely but it makes me wonder about all the other times the parents said it was an accident.

Texas Mother Accused of Leaving 2 Children to Die in Hot Car to Teach a 'Lesson' - NBC News
Ever worked full time at an involving job with multiple kids?

Frankly, I don't know how someone could go through that and NOT understand how sleep deprivation could do something like that.

Heck, I drove 2 miles once with my wallet on top of the car due to it. Also left my wallet at a store.

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Old 06-28-2017, 12:11 AM
 
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Shortly after my 2nd was born, this almost happened to me. I am a GOOD parent. They are in their teens now, and happy, healthy, smart, polite, funny, wonderful kids. But one day I was overtired or overwhelmed or over-something, and my brain clicked off on my morning drive. I loaded them in the car, backed out of my driveway, and sort of came to as I was parking my car at work. I remember being a little confused, and just as I was going to get out of the car, something reminded me they were there. I was stunned. I almost left them. I forgot they were there. I drove right past my daycare. It was the worst thing that's ever happened to me, that feeling that I almost left them there. It isn't something that happened because I was a bad parent, or because I was on drugs, or because of anything--it just happened. I can't explain it, because I don't understand it. I hear the stories from parents where this was a legitimate accident and my heart breaks for them. I can't judge them and call them monsters. I can only feel sorry for their heartbreaking losses.
I just want to yell at the people acting like this could never happen to them. Yes. Yes it can. It will never happen to me....because I don't have children. That's the only reason. Accidents happen all the time, mistakes are made all the time.
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