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Old 07-17-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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..Except for the fact that we do not have a proper early warning system.
The way it works out in practical terms, if what we have for an early warning system doesn't work, the Space Corps isn't going to be effective either. There is no possible response to a last-minute warning.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:45 PM
 
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The way it works out in practical terms, if what we have for an early warning system doesn't work, the Space Corps isn't going to be effective either. There is no possible response to a last-minute warning.
Space Corps would be one of the parties responsible for setting up a proper early warning system.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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Space Corps would be one of the parties responsible for setting up a proper early warning system.
Not likely. You might want to read up on what it actually entails to locate a Texas-sized asteroid while it's still months away. It's not a matter of watching a radar screen.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:19 PM
 
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The Air Force was split from the Army because (at the time, not so much now) the Army simply couldn't do air war (and air war support) right. Operating air power as a corps asset rather than a division asset, for instance. Even something as simple as individual rooms (two men to a room) instead of open-bay barracks was actually a necessity of round-the-clock combat air support, not merely a blue-suit nicety. The Air Force needed it...the Army, not so much.

Moreover, the time for separating the Air Force really couldn't come until air power had technologically advanced to something requiring a significantly different strategic concept from ground combat. In order for air power to be recognized as a corps asset more than a division asset, it had to develop to the point that it could be used effectively as a decisive battle element across an entire corps. A separate Air Force in 1918 would have been stupid and would have failed.


I haven't seen any evidence that space combat operations are so advanced as to need a wholly separate force either for support or for combat operations. What's failed that the generals didn't know about?

Hmm. I notice that the primary congresscritters pushing for this (in secret) have been those with significant space operations assets in their home states.

I strongly suspect space system contractor lobbyists have been speaking to them on the golf course. I've been in military meetings where that kind of thing has hit us in the face--senior leaders have been made enamoured of some flashy (and expensive) new thing while the uniformed people are saying, "We were really hoping for more bullets and spare parts."
Maybe it's because of the new laser weapon that was just unveiled. Saw it on CNN, and it works at light speed, is silent, and has essentially unlimited range. They are working on some pretty space age stuff these days.
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Old 07-18-2017, 05:20 AM
 
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Maybe it's because of the new laser weapon that was just unveiled. Saw it on CNN, and it works at light speed, is silent, and has essentially unlimited range. They are working on some pretty space age stuff these days.
That was the US Navy. And a laser would be useful against satellites, but there are already fairly useful weapons available against satellites (one anti-sat capability was revealed in the aftermath of the Columbia explosion).
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:30 AM
 
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..Except for the fact that we do not have a proper early warning system.
Yes, we do.

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/about/search_program.html

And it's hard to see how putting a bunch of people in uniform and training them for space-combat would assist that end at all. Actually, it's impossible to see, because it wouldn't. At all. Not one iota. What is needed is more scope time. Period.

Besides that, the poster babbling about something making 'life extinct' is confused. Earth hasn't been sterilized by an impactor in four billions years. Establishing an entire military branch because of a 1-in-4,000,000,000+-year eventually is about as inane a shepherding of resources as one can imagine.

You don't need a military organization to defend against impactors any more than you need a military to defend against hurricanes or volcanic eruptions. Too many people think that Hollywood movies are instruction manuals. They're not. They're entertainment that generally don't bother much with things like realism.
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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What about Starfleet?
Do they get new, different uniforms too? Will there be an Enterprise?

Why not Starfleet?
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Old 07-18-2017, 07:36 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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The Air Force was split from the Army because (at the time, not so much now) the Army simply couldn't do air war (and air war support) right. Operating air power as a corps asset rather than a division asset, for instance. Even something as simple as individual rooms (two men to a room) instead of open-bay barracks was actually a necessity of round-the-clock combat air support, not merely a blue-suit nicety. The Air Force needed it...the Army, not so much.

Moreover, the time for separating the Air Force really couldn't come until air power had technologically advanced to something requiring a significantly different strategic concept from ground combat. In order for air power to be recognized as a corps asset more than a division asset, it had to develop to the point that it could be used effectively as a decisive battle element across an entire corps. A separate Air Force in 1918 would have been stupid and would have failed.


I haven't seen any evidence that space combat operations are so advanced as to need a wholly separate force either for support or for combat operations. What's failed that the generals didn't know about?

Hmm. I notice that the primary congresscritters pushing for this (in secret) have been those with significant space operations assets in their home states.

I strongly suspect space system contractor lobbyists have been speaking to them on the golf course. I've been in military meetings where that kind of thing has hit us in the face--senior leaders have been made enamoured of some flashy (and expensive) new thing while the uniformed people are saying, "We were really hoping for more bullets and spare parts."
Amen. We are nowhere ear advanced enough to create a separate space corp. What assets do we posession that can even deploy any "force" into actual space? We're hitching rides with the Russians for Petes sake. If we had continued the shuttle program and built a fleet of fare more advanced ships, up to being capable of achieving orbit under their own power from standard runways sure. Lol, but we ain't hardly there.


Acheiving orbit and reentry as a routine operation is not a reality yet. And yes, the money that would be diverted to this new corps would see our established and required existing forces heading to battle with wrist rockets and pea shooters. No we are not even capable of creating a "space corps". Minus a real threat from space like an extraterrestrial attack, that would unite all nations in a joint effort to combat that threat I don't see any one nation, I cling us, being able to do so. Unless the government is hiding something out at Dreamland and has been getting help from some extraterrestrial power which is a bit less than likely. Lol, but they say truth is stranger than fiction.
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Old 07-18-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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What did they need to build ships capable of going far enough that would just fall off the edge of the earth?

What idiot ever though we needed an outfit like NASA to take us into space? No one can survive there anyway!

There are many stories about achievements that would have never been done if nobody had the dream to achieve them.
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Old 07-18-2017, 09:41 AM
 
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What did they need to build ships capable of going far enough that would just fall off the edge of the earth?

What idiot ever though we needed an outfit like NASA to take us into space? No one can survive there anyway!

There are many stories about achievements that would have never been done if nobody had the dream to achieve them.
This has to do with whether there needs to be a "Space Corps" within the Department of the Air Force to replace the current Space Command that is already in the Department of the Air Force.


The only difference a Space Corps makes over the current Space Command is that defense contractors looking to gather more taxpayer dollars need deal with fewer budget hawks.
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