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Old 11-26-2018, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Not really. If you're near a pack of smokes, look at the bottom of it. You see that little stamp label? That's a tax stamp. One company provides all 50 states with those little stamps. Over a decade ago they were doing it with fewer than 50 employees. Forecasting was easy. Take last year's number and decrease it about 3% a year. Now, that isn't necessarily that there were 3% fewer smokers, that was 3% fewer packs being sold.
I am completely lost as to your point - the sole producer of tax stamps has downsized, therefore tobacco sales have, too? (I guess automation, streamlining, and standardizing have nothing to do with the drop in their tedious workload?)

As for per-pack sales dropping, I would have bet, from fuzzy data, that vaping had had a much larger impact on the burning-weed market. 3%, even in an addicted market, is within statistical variation.
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Old 11-26-2018, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Here's my concern though.... are we going to ban every product that adults enjoy intended for adults just because teenagers also picked it up?
You persist in the notion that teen vaping is some kind of minor aberration, and a wholly unintended one by the makers. Both points are complete nonsense.

ALL cigarette marketing is at teens and younger, in the end, barring some small fraction for premium and specialty brands like Nat Sherman, and probably most cigars. Absolutely no significant number of users begin after about 18-20, and haven't for decades, if ever. To try to claim that the makers are focused on, and address only, an existing market that would not have existed had those smokers simply held out a few more years, is such industry-serving nonsense that you must live in a house free of mirrors.

Anyone who can argue that the vape industry has not aimed their marketing - especially the POS and in-store facet - squarely at a very young crowd is either stupid beyond words or disingenuous beyond redemption. It's not just bright colors, 20yo spokespeople and candy flavors... it's an extension of where the tobacco industry has been since (at least) WWII. You might as well argue that automakers haven't meant people to put that nasty old gasoline in any of their products since 1970.
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Old 11-26-2018, 01:59 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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You persist in the notion that teen vaping is some kind of minor aberration, and a wholly unintended one by the makers. Both points are complete nonsense.

ALL cigarette marketing is at teens and younger, in the end, barring some small fraction for premium and specialty brands like Nat Sherman, and probably most cigars. Absolutely no significant number of users begin after about 18-20, and haven't for decades, if ever. To try to claim that the makers are focused on, and address only, an existing market that would not have existed had those smokers simply held out a few more years, is such industry-serving nonsense that you must live in a house free of mirrors.

Anyone who can argue that the vape industry has not aimed their marketing - especially the POS and in-store facet - squarely at a very young crowd is either stupid beyond words or disingenuous beyond redemption. It's not just bright colors, 20yo spokespeople and candy flavors... it's an extension of where the tobacco industry has been since (at least) WWII. You might as well argue that automakers haven't meant people to put that nasty old gasoline in any of their products since 1970.
I don't necessarily agree....

By your sentiment, an adult smoking legally in a smoking area is also marketing towards teenagers within viewing distance.
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Old 11-26-2018, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Juul did end sales of the fruity flavors to under 21 year olds, no idea about those that are compatible with Juul vape like say Eon Smoke cartridges which too marketed to teens. I mean not only were store displays marketed to teens, the social media was too as stated many times. They recently shifted gears and I applaud them for what they decided to do, the question is, is it too late and how soon will another head to the tobacco hydra rear its ugly head to take its place.
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Old 11-26-2018, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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By your sentiment, an adult smoking legally in a smoking area is also marketing towards teenagers within viewing distance.
Of course it is. One of the marketing goals of almost irreplaceable value is having people using your product in public view - whether it's driving by in a shiny new 740i, wearing this week's Ray-Ban style or Dr. Dre headphones or ostentatiously using their new rose-gold iPhone X.

Right now, ostentatious vaping seems to be at something of a peak. I rare see people smoke, even here where I suspect the rate is higher than most places; just over this weekend I saw at least three people get out of their cars, take a theatrical hit on their vape pen as if they needed a breath of oxygen for a deep dive into the vegetable section, and stride away into the store.

Did you mean to suggest something else? Because people are behaving that way because of how vaping has been marketed; otherwise they'd be skulking a little shame-facedly over in the designated smoking area with the other nicotaddicts. (I really don't remember the last time I saw someone proudly smoking, at least in public. It's been many years.)

And, of course, there's no shortage here of those who have modded their vaperizors so that they create steam-engine-sized white clouds with them. Not a one who appears to be over 20-22.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Of course it is.
So lock up your kids inside...

Parents point the finger at everything/everyone but themselves....

I saw so many people in early college years go binge drinking and trouble as a result. I had my first drink (I'm guessing because I don't remember exactly), 11-13. The rule was once I had a drink, I couldn't leave the home... it was a normal part of life. From then on, it was lesson after lesson of enjoying with moderation. End result was responsibility....

For me in college, alcohol was no big deal.... I thought the excitement was stupid.

Shelter your kids in such a manner is avoiding teaching the valuable lessons..... and thus your primary role as a parents. Is it for their own good or so that over protective parents feel good about themselves.?

The last thing this country needs is nanny state / morality police....
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:30 PM
 
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Juul did end sales of the fruity flavors to under 21 year olds, no idea about those that are compatible with Juul vape like say Eon Smoke cartridges which too marketed to teens. I mean not only were store displays marketed to teens, the social media was too as stated many times. They recently shifted gears and I applaud them for what they decided to do, the question is, is it too late and how soon will another head to the tobacco hydra rear its ugly head to take its place.
Not in KY, IN or OH. Maybe they only did in some states or cities?


We stock 9 flavors of Juul, including the fruit, mint, and mango, we are not required to ID for these as of yet.
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Old 11-27-2018, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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So lock up your kids inside...
Done feeding.
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Old 11-27-2018, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Not in KY, IN or OH. Maybe they only did in some states or cities?


We stock 9 flavors of Juul, including the fruit, mint, and mango, we are not required to ID for these as of yet.
I guess they didn't ask to buy back stock yet. As for the age restrictions if they aren't there yet, they will be or you won't be getting Juul product in those areas.
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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And the Marlboro Man is now looking into brand-name vaping with Juul...
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