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Originally Posted by NorCalRunner
The victims were members of the LeBaron family, the subject of several documentaries and books. They have a violent, criminal history of their own. Mexican LE is claiming this was a case of mistaken identity, but there are no good guys here, no reliable sources, so the story remains questionable. The real tragedy is that most of the victims were children, already victims of cultish parents and elders.
Yes, that's the tragedy. Children caught in the crossfire.
American's aren't "complicit by using the poison they sell" but rather, Americans have CREATED these cartels by our unquenchable demand for their illegal drugs at any cost.
If we'd either 1. legalize drugs OR 2. somehow stem our desire for illegal drugs, and our willingness to pay outrageous prices for them, these cartels would dry up.
We've met the enemy, and it is us. - Pogo
MS-13 is part and parcel of/to the cartels. They operate on American soil. They are terrorists. There is no defense for these murdering terrorists. The border is a fluid place and the terrorist operate on both sideds of the border.
This is no time to think like Neville Chamberlain.
A clear and present danger. Time for us to employ Drones. Call the cartels what they are... terrorists.
Drugs are like an ideology, and the cartels are the followers. We can not defeat an ideology, but we can remove the head of the snake. Plan accordingly.
Cartels wouldn’t exist without us. We are by far the worlds largest consumer of drugs from them. If we really wanted to stop them, legalizing drugs would do a lot more than drones ever will.
Polygamy is alive and well right here in the US. I live in AZ if you drive though towns along I-40 see compounds with a wall around 2 to 3 two story homes. I don't think they can legally get married even in Mexico to more then one spouse not sure why they bother to stay in Mexico. The incident while shocking is it any different then the mass shootings we have had in the last few years?
What I don't like about Mexico is the corruption in law enforcement, and legal system. In Mexico your guilty until proven innocent example is someone I know drove their car to Mexico they got insurance before they crossed the border. They hit a cow, and their car was totaled car was worth 3-4k wasn't that much of a loss.
There wasn't anyone around so they got a ride from someone else when they called the insurance company they said to just get a taxi and cross back over the border leave the car behind they would take care of it. The reason was the farmer could have them arrested held until it is determined how much loss he incurred what are you going to do pay whatever they want to get out of jail. The insurance company had people in Mexico who took care of it and paid the Farmer so they told them.
Apparently the Mexican government agreed to look the other way regarding their polygamy.
Well, I'm not saying that we SHOULD deploy military or whatever to handle this, but the big difference between what you're describing and what happened in Mexico is that these were US citizens. So we do have some skin in this game.
Cartels wouldn’t exist without us. We are by far the worlds largest consumer of drugs from them. If we really wanted to stop them, legalizing drugs would do a lot more than drones ever will.
Once people understand that evil finds opportunity where it exists... like cartels or terrorists then you plan accordingly. Sometimes it's a simply a matter of control, but sometimes the only solution is lead poisoning.
Once people understand that evil finds opportunity where it exists... like cartels or terrorists then you plan accordingly. Sometimes it's a simply a matter of control, but sometimes the only solution is lead poisoning.
Clear and present danger
They aren’t a clear and present danger to us. Certainly the 100 Isis prisoners who are now free in Syria are more of a threat to us than cartels in Mexico are. Very simple solution legalizing drugs, but everyone wants to be the tough guy and despite endless wars over the past 20 years, continue to believe it helps. It doesn’t.
It’s also quite complicated in a business sense. Mexico and the United States are intertwined in terms of the number of American companies operating there now. The consequences of going to war with Mexico are much greater than you think. And again, it is Americans who enabled the growth and continue to prop up these gangs. So to pretend indignance is really hypocritical.
Yes... it's as complicated as you wish to make it. I see MS 13, or gangs, or cartels operating on American soil, therefore I see a clear and present danger, right here. These murdering terrorists kill our children, kids, parents, everyone who use their poison.
We know this. It's not made up. It's not fake. It's not just a threat, it's real.
It is a "clear and present danger" This is no time for blaming, or placing our collective heads in the sand.
MS-13 is part and parcel of/to the cartels. They operate on American soil. They are terrorists. There is no defense for these murdering terrorists.
MS-13 isn't structured anything like large drug cartels, they operate at local levels dealing street drugs, extortion, larceny etc. not much different than other street gangs. They have absolutely nothing to do with what just happened in Mexico.
I wouldn't call MS-13 terrorists either, at least not by any definition of terrorist I've seen. They do things to make money or things that indirectly contribute to making money (like violence to control territory) but given a choice they'd rather nobody knew about crimes they committed. A terrorist is different in that does things for to stoke fear and awareness to a cause where their primary interest is their crime being known.
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Originally Posted by ocnjgirl
Apparently the Mexican government agreed to look the other way regarding their polygamy.
It's very difficult to prosecute, since most polygamists like these folks aren't legally married to more than one wife. They effectively practice polygamy and everyone knows it, but not in a documented manner where the fiscalia can easily prove it.
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