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Old 01-17-2020, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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If he was a sociopath or psychopath, there may have been antecedents in his childhood. For example, some such kids torture animals, or are violent toward a younger sibling.

In any case, more info needed.
I'd also guess that he'd seen some violent porn online, as well.*

* Yes, I know that porn doesn't make someone violent, but when a child is too young to fully understand what they're seeing, it can't help.
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:46 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I’m glad you came out of it OK. Here in New Jersey, we had a law called Megan’s law that came into effect after a little girl was raped and murdered by a neighbor. It was one of the first laws requiring neighbors be informed when a sex offender lives among them.
Most states have adopted some form of Megan's Law. And New Jersey has some of the most common sense sex offender laws in the country. They do a tier system where the worst offenders, predator types, like the neighbor are tier 3 offender meaning they cant go near school and they have to tell the neighbors. Tier 1 offenders are considered low risk, have a very low chance of re offense and are the victimless crimes or the low level crimes like public urination or corruption of a minor type things. They have to register but they are not known to the community and it is actually against the law to "out" them to the neighbors if you know. Tier 2 is in the middle and usually going through rehabilitation. FL has some of the most strict laws and dont allow sex offenders of any kind even into public places where children might be.
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:55 AM
 
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Most states have adopted some form of Megan's Law. And New Jersey has some of the most common sense sex offender laws in the country. They do a tier system where the worst offenders, predator types, like the neighbor are tier 3 offender meaning they cant go near school and they have to tell the neighbors. Tier 1 offenders are considered low risk, have a very low chance of re offense and are the victimless crimes or the low level crimes like public urination or corruption of a minor type things. They have to register but they are not known to the community and it is actually against the law to "out" them to the neighbors if you know. Tier 2 is in the middle and usually going through rehabilitation. FL has some of the most strict laws and dont allow sex offenders of any kind even into public places where children might be.
Wow, I think Florida laws go too far, I’m not sure how that’s even Constitutional. Are they tiered as you described NJs laws or does it apply to all sex offenders? I didn’t know how NJ does it but it does make sense. I always thought it was very unfair for people convicted of lesser crimes, like a 19 year old dating a 16 year old. I’ve worked in nursing homes for more than 20 years, and I can tell you that I’ve met dozens of couples who met when the man was 19, 20, 21, and the girl was still under age. But they’ve been married for 70 years or something. And I think that today, maybe that man would’ve gone to jail.
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:57 AM
 
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Most states have adopted some form of Megan's Law. And New Jersey has some of the most common sense sex offender laws in the country. They do a tier system where the worst offenders, predator types, like the neighbor are tier 3 offender meaning they cant go near school and they have to tell the neighbors. Tier 1 offenders are considered low risk, have a very low chance of re offense and are the victimless crimes or the low level crimes like public urination or corruption of a minor type things. They have to register but they are not known to the community and it is actually against the law to "out" them to the neighbors if you know. Tier 2 is in the middle and usually going through rehabilitation. FL has some of the most strict laws and dont allow sex offenders of any kind even into public places where children might be.
Its basically like the modern day 'scarlet letter'.


Im on the fence about whether I agree with registration for life though, one of the founding principles of the US system of justice is the second chance, the ability to pay off a debt to society, if we start changing for (for the sake of safety/security), that is changing the system this country was intended to have, the founders made it pretty clear, that they did not agree with the taking away of liberties for the sake of safety or security.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:02 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Wow, I think Florida laws go too far, I’m not sure how that’s even Constitutional. Are they tiered as you described NJs laws or does it apply to all sex offenders? I didn’t know how NJ does it but it does make sense. I always thought it was very unfair for people convicted of lesser crimes, like a 19 year old dating a 16 year old. I’ve worked in nursing homes for more than 20 years, and I can tell you that I’ve met dozens of couples who met when the man was 19, 20, 21, and the girl was still under age. But they’ve been married for 70 years or something. And I think that today, maybe that man would’ve gone to jail.
Florida does not have a tier system as far as i know. They also have an extremely high sex offender homeless population because their law is so absolute. For example if you own a house and lived there for 15 years and someone decides to open a daycare down the block, guess who has to move. And that goes for schools, parks, daycares, hospitals, nursing homes, places where children congregate like chuck e cheese or theme parks which leaves very little space for people to live. I read story of man forced to sell his parents home they left him when they died because a home daycare opened next door. And another of a man who was convicted at 18 or 19 for corruption and statutory rape because his girlfriend was underage and now he cant even go to the mall because there are too many young people there. He has to grocery shop at night when there is less of a chance of encountering an underage person.

FL also requires anyone of out of state who is a sex offender to register in FL if they are in the state for more than 5 days so if a tier 1 offender in NJ goes to Disneyworld or the beach for a week they are supposed to register which now shows up on all national databases even though NJ doesnt require public registration
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:04 AM
 
Location: STL area
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There have been studies that women, when asked hypothetically what they'd do in a sexual assault, say that they'd scream and they'd fight. In reality, victims are often frozen in terror and do nothing.
This is exactly right. Victims almost never scream.

Who knows if his parents raised him poorly or if he was just born a sociopath. I would give them the benefit of the doubt that a kid like that was born a sociopath.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:04 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Its basically like the modern day 'scarlet letter'.


Im on the fence about whether I agree with registration for life though, one of the founding principles of the US system of justice is the second chance, the ability to pay off a debt to society, if we start changing for (for the sake of safety/security), that is changing the system this country was intended to have, the founders made it pretty clear, that they did not agree with the taking away of liberties for the sake of safety or security.
Another way NJ is better than some places. When offenders are released from jail they are on parole for a minimum of 15 years at which time if theyve not gotten into trouble, followed the rules and are a tier 1 offender they can appeal the lifetime registration and even file to have the record expunged.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:09 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Yes, you are right, there are usually signs thru out childhood that something is 'off', I wish the media would investigate these things and include them in the article,
Yes, so many of these articles don't delve deeply enough into the story, perpetrators' background, etc.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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Its basically like the modern day 'scarlet letter'.


Im on the fence about whether I agree with registration for life though, one of the founding principles of the US system of justice is the second chance, the ability to pay off a debt to society, if we start changing for (for the sake of safety/security), that is changing the system this country was intended to have, the founders made it pretty clear, that they did not agree with the taking away of liberties for the sake of safety or security.
It also doesn’t really make sense. A sex offender has to let his neighbors know he’s there, but Charles Manson can move into the neighborhood and apparently not have to notify anyone, is that right?

Now for hard-core child predators, I think it’s necessary. I don’t think these men can help themselves, I think it’s a compulsion that they cannot control. But I read about a man whose entire life was ruined because he downloaded a three minute video that had a teen girl in it. 20 some years later, he was living in a motel on welfare all due to the sex offender registry. He lost his job right after it happened, and he was never able to get a second chance.
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:37 AM
 
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One guy in particular that ran with our crowd, he was a good looking guy, kind of short, but he had a reputation for being (how should I say, VERY well endowed in a certain area), I had known him since we were 10 yrs old, and it seems like his goal was to sleep with as many girls as he possibly could, I saw plenty of times he would seduce girls that had boyfriends and he would end up sleeping with them, it was really a wild time, Its amazing he was never accused of rape or sexual assault!


Why do you consider it amazing that he wasn't accused of rape or sexual assault? False reports are rare. Do you know what is not rare? Unreported sexual assaults and rape.

Your OP concerns are with the wrong party. He chose to rape those girls. There are consequences.

Do you have a mother? daughter? aunt? niece? sister? Your concerns should be for the welfare and safety of women not rapists.

It is my belief that if the male community would take a harsh stance against sexual assault and rape, the incidence of it would drop dramatically. You know, no more rape jokes, no more immediate backlash against females who report rape, no more locker room talk, no more *wink* *wink* "grab them by the *****", no more victim blaming, no more "why didn't you scream" "why didn't you close your legs" "what did you think was going to happen when you were alone with him" "what were you wearing" etc.
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