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Old 01-31-2020, 10:24 AM
 
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And now, transmission of Coronavirus by an asymptomatic person has been definitively proven.

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/c...hnk/index.html

A Chinese woman from Shanghai met with workers in Germany. She was totally asymptomatic (and if she was from Shanghai, at that time, I don't think that China had even reported a case yet in Shanghai, although of course she must have flown out of China, and there could very well have been an infected person from Hubei on her flight). Within 8 days of meeting with her, four German employees were diagnosed with coronavirus.

If the world doesn't close the door to people traveling out of China right away, it will very soon be too late. It may be too late already. With transmission by asymptomatic persons, this is now as contagious as the common cold (No surprise, since coronaviruses are one of the viruses that produce the common cold).

Fortunately, the death rate will probably be no worse than the Spanish Flu was - probably at most 1-2%, and probably much less, since we have no way of knowing how many people are infected in China, but don't have access to medical care, and simply recover, without it ever having been proven that they had this new coronavirus. It will all be over in a year or two. But it's gonna be a bumpy ride. Tremendous stress on our healthcare system.

 
Old 01-31-2020, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So now what happens to politicians who want to kill the 'Affordable Care Act"?
 
Old 01-31-2020, 03:06 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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CDC seems more concerned now. The market certainly is. But I saw ChIna put a bunch of recovered people on tv as they left the hospital.
 
Old 01-31-2020, 03:07 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by parentologist View Post
And now, transmission of Coronavirus by an asymptomatic person has been definitively proven.

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/c...hnk/index.html

A Chinese woman from Shanghai met with workers in Germany. She was totally asymptomatic (and if she was from Shanghai, at that time, I don't think that China had even reported a case yet in Shanghai, although of course she must have flown out of China, and there could very well have been an infected person from Hubei on her flight). Within 8 days of meeting with her, four German employees were diagnosed with coronavirus.

If the world doesn't close the door to people traveling out of China right away, it will very soon be too late. It may be too late already. With transmission by asymptomatic persons, this is now as contagious as the common cold (No surprise, since coronaviruses are one of the viruses that produce the common cold).

Fortunately, the death rate will probably be no worse than the Spanish Flu was - probably at most 1-2%, and probably much less, since we have no way of knowing how many people are infected in China, but don't have access to medical care, and simply recover, without it ever having been proven that they had this new coronavirus. It will all be over in a year or two. But it's gonna be a bumpy ride. Tremendous stress on our healthcare system.
CDC says the test could miss early cases.
 
Old 01-31-2020, 03:26 PM
 
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Well, the US is FINALLY doing what needed to have been done a week ago - but they're giving 48 hrs lag time before they'll institute it! No foreign national who has been in Mainland China will be admitted, and all US citizens returning from China will have to undergo 14 day quarantine (which I hope they have a better way of monitoring than just taking their word for it). But because it's not being instituted until Sunday night, over 48 hrs from now, many more potentially infected individuals can enter. And once the cat's out of the bag on this one, since it's transmissible without symptoms and has a two week incubation period, it's going to be too late.

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/c...hnk/index.html
 
Old 01-31-2020, 03:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Well, the US is FINALLY doing what needed to have been done a week ago - but they're giving 48 hrs lag time before they'll institute it! No foreign national who has been in Mainland China will be admitted, and all US citizens returning from China will have to undergo 14 day quarantine (which I hope they have a better way of monitoring than just taking their word for it). But because it's not being instituted until Sunday night, over 48 hrs from now, many more potentially infected individuals can enter. And once the cat's out of the bag on this one, since it's transmissible without symptoms and has a two week incubation period, it's going to be too late.

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/c...hnk/index.html
Cat is already out of the bag. We are closing the doors after the cows run out of the barn. Hopefully we will just get lucky and the few who have it have not infected others.
 
Old 01-31-2020, 05:24 PM
 
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not peer reviewed...

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We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...01.30.927871v1
 
Old 01-31-2020, 05:43 PM
 
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https://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6477/492

Summary
Barely 1 month after Chinese health authorities reported the first cases of a mysterious new pneumonia in the city of Wuhan, the world may be on the cusp of a new pandemic. The number of confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus, dubbed 2019-nCoV for now, has shot up to more than 4500, most of them in mainland China but more than 80 in 17 other countries and territories. In an unprecedented move, China has effectively quarantined 35 million people in Wuhan and several other cities in a desperate attempt to contain spread of the virus. But as the case numbers keep soaring, the realization has set in that it may be too late to have much impact. The virus's explosive spread has been met by an unprecedented, mad rush by scientists to uncover its origins, find treatments that can help infected people, and develop vaccines that, if indeed the world is heading for a new pandemic, can potentially spare millions of lives.
 
Old 01-31-2020, 06:11 PM
 
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Russia confirmed first two cases of coronavirus.
 
Old 01-31-2020, 06:15 PM
 
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Explains why the Chinese were treating it with HIV meds.
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