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The wife and I cruise a lot... we love it. I'm 45, she's 52. Been on quite a few so far... Alaska... Caribbean... the most recent being December. We even cruised out of Port Canaveral. Was the virus lurking? Some people say it was! We've never gotten sick. We have a pending cruise to Hawaii in September that as of yet isn't cancelled, but I'm expecting it to be. No worries, there's always 2021.
Oh yeah, about 2021... cruise bookings are strong. Why is that? Because millions of people are just like us and enjoy cruising.
Lastly, while you are boycotting your cruise make sure you don't forget:
Hell, any place with a large number of people... you know, just like a cruise ship.
Please, just stay home... hide behind the toilet paper and wait for the rest of us to die from coronavirus.
Co-worker of mine likes cruises he signed up for 2-3 of them back in February and march knowing they would be cancelled he got a refund plus a free credit for another cruise. Now he said all set for 2021
So strange that posters constantly comment on an article they didn't even read. A poster claimed they were stuck because the cruise companies refuse to pay to fly them home when it's clear from the article that they are not allowed to dock the ships.
Don't confuse her with facts; she's already made up her mind.
US labor laws do not apply, so they do not bother to "avoid US labor laws."
There was a time the cruise industry was fully domiciled in the USA. Then, Congress, under pressure from left-wing labor unions, "chased them out of the USA" decades ago by imposing outrageous, confiscatory taxes specifically on the cruise industry.
Not all cruise companies are or were US based. All companies, regardless of ownership or location of the HQ, went with the same formula.
1. register the ship in a cheap place like Bermuda or Liberia
2. keep American or European captains
3. employ Phillipino or other low cost country people who speak English for customer facing jobs and people who's English is less good for the invisible jobs who don't interact with customers
4. employ low cost countries to run the revenue through and reduce taxes
5. retain HQ and sales offices in Florida or other in-country locales like Hamburg, London, Tokyo, etc
so it's a stretch to say that US labor laws were a major factor in their cost/tax savings measures.
The cruise ship owners are deadbeats looking for a free ride.
We need to form a global coalition among all countries that charge the same for taxes and where labor has rights and freedoms.
There will be nowhere for the deadbeats to run to look for cheap or free.
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False.
Older people are much more likely to have money than younger people. Expensive multi-month cruises, with a price-tag of $1000/person/day for double occupancy adds up quickly. A 120-day cruise for two is $240,000 to start - then add in expensive wine, expensive excursions, etc.
Not many 20-somethings on a cruise like that.
Your hopes have been granted. Companies such as Carnival Cruise Lines were excluded from any financial aid from the USA.
So awful that people line up to work for them.
US labor laws do not apply, so they do not bother to "avoid US labor laws."
There was a time the cruise industry was fully domiciled in the USA. Then, Congress, under pressure from left-wing labor unions, "chased them out of the USA" decades ago by imposing outrageous, confiscatory taxes specifically on the cruise industry.
That is why we need a global labor union. Nowhere for the cheap labor express to run to.
We already have global business unions where industry leaders from all countries get together many times a year.
Not all cruise companies are or were US based. All companies, regardless of ownership or location of the HQ, went with the same formula.
1. register the ship in a cheap place like Bermuda or Liberia
2. keep American or European captains
3. employ Phillipino or other low cost country people who speak English for customer facing jobs and people who's English is less good for the invisible jobs who don't interact with customers
4. employ low cost countries to run the revenue through and reduce taxes
5. retain HQ and sales offices in Florida or other in-country locales like Hamburg, London, Tokyo, etc
so it's a stretch to say that US labor laws were a major factor in their cost/tax savings measures.
They look for every loophole to get out of paying what other people have to pay.
Dead beats.
Time to put an end to the gravy train.
They look for every loophole to get out of paying what other people have to pay.
Dead beats.
Time to put an end to the gravy train.
There is no loophole and no gravy train. Essentially they work like every other multi-national industry works - hire cheap labor overseas. Most of these cruise lines aren't even US companies (although they might have HQ in the US).
Why? To meet the global customer demand for cheap mass cruises...which may or many also not originate in the US, but in Europe, Asia, etc.
No one could have predicted COVID19 but these 3rd world employees know what they signed up for - working long hours for low pay, sometimes away from home for a very long time....but much better than they have back home where they would work even longer hours for much lower pay, sometimes in conflict zones.
Global Labor Union - The there already is. Cruise lines are actually a heavily regulated industry via various international laws. For unions, you have the "International Maritime Organization & International Labour Organization".
Not all cruise companies are or were US based. All companies, regardless of ownership or location of the HQ, went with the same formula.
1. register the ship in a cheap place like Bermuda or Liberia
2. keep American or European captains
3. employ Phillipino or other low cost country people who speak English for customer facing jobs and people who's English is less good for the invisible jobs who don't interact with customers
4. employ low cost countries to run the revenue through and reduce taxes
5. retain HQ and sales offices in Florida or other in-country locales like Hamburg, London, Tokyo, etc
so it's a stretch to say that US labor laws were a major factor in their cost/tax savings measures.
I didn't say US Labor laws were not the major factor; I said US Tax Laws were.
Co-worker of mine likes cruises he signed up for 2-3 of them back in February and march knowing they would be cancelled he got a refund plus a free credit for another cruise. Now he said all set for 2021
I didn't go that far... but I did buy a bunch of RCL stock that I am happy to say as of today are up 42% from when I bought them in early March. It's been an up and down ride but the real money will come when cruising resumes and the stocks rebound to where they were 6 months ago.
Buy low sell high they say...
We had a May cruise cancelled... the September cruise to Hawaii is still on but I'm not expecting it to happen.
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We've never gotten sick. We have a pending cruise to Hawaii in September that as of yet isn't cancelled, but I'm expecting it to be. No worries, there's always 2021.
