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Old 01-23-2022, 12:17 PM
 
Location: NY
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Society needs to start holding families responsible for the crimes committed by their members. Most become "career criminals" because mom or dad refused to take any action. Things would change drastically if the victims of crimes could get restitution from the family of the perp.

In many cases, I'm predicting it will be hard locating the fathers of many of these criminals.
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Old 01-24-2022, 10:31 AM
 
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In cold blooded murder there never is "debt paid". The murdered person is dead FOREVER.
Throw away the key.
That may be your personal belief, but that conflicts with the founding principles of the American justice system.
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Old 01-24-2022, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I cannot say what I'd really like to say because I'd be in CD jail for 5 years.
I think that many would agree with you.....
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Old 01-24-2022, 05:02 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Thats not the American system of justice though...Remember, the American system is all about second chances, starting over with a clean slate when you pay off your debt to society.
To hell with giving a murderer a second chance. Execute him and rid the world of him.
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Old 01-30-2022, 09:08 AM
 
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To hell with giving a murderer a second chance. Execute him and rid the world of him.

The problem with this is, 186 in Texas have been on death row since 1973; and exonerated.
And 16 were exonerated after their executions.
Now if the broken system could get it right, then fine.
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Old 01-30-2022, 09:59 AM
 
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I don’t know if the police could have done anything about her having a bad vibe but I wish she had followed through on her instincts and went to a safe locked safe area and called her boss that she felt unsafe. Poor luv.
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Old 01-30-2022, 12:47 PM
 
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To hell with giving a murderer a second chance. Execute him and rid the world of him.
I wonder why the founders of the US system of justice did not suggest there should be 'exclusions' to the debt paid/second chance principle then?


They dealt with murders, rapists, child molesters, etc in those days, so they knew how terrible these crimes were...Yet they didnt make any exceptions?!


What I really see going on is American citizens using their OWN opinions and feelings about crime, to base what they think the US system of justice should be and how crimes should be punished? Even though the founders wanted the debt paid/second chance...many citizens do not agree with that, so they cherry pick what the system of justice SHOULD BE. (that is not the American way, not even close).
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Old 01-30-2022, 01:12 PM
 
Location: DFW
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To hell with giving a murderer a second chance. Execute him and rid the world of him.
CA has a fake death row. Juries put Criminals there but CA seldom ever executes anyone.
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Old 01-31-2022, 09:53 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Originally Posted by rstevens62 View Post
I wonder why the founders of the US system of justice did not suggest there should be 'exclusions' to the debt paid/second chance principle then?


They dealt with murders, rapists, child molesters, etc in those days, so they knew how terrible these crimes were...Yet they didnt make any exceptions?!


What I really see going on is American citizens using their OWN opinions and feelings about crime, to base what they think the US system of justice should be and how crimes should be punished? Even though the founders wanted the debt paid/second chance...many citizens do not agree with that, so they cherry pick what the system of justice SHOULD BE. (that is not the American way, not even close).
You don't give a murderer a second chance and you can't pay off a debt of murder.

Oh, and by the way,
Capital Punishment in the United States, and
Beyond
Paul Marcus
William & Mary Law School, pxmarc@wm.edu

The death penalty has been a well-established, though highly controversial,
practice in the United States for almost 400 years. The first execution of a
criminal in the American colonies occurred in Virginia in 1622. 1 During most of
the 20th century, the vast majority of states in the country permitted execution of
convicted criminals. 2
The practice dates back to early English common law, where virtually any
person convicted of a felony offence faced a mandatory death sentence,3 but the
practice has always been much more widespread in the US than in the United
Kingdom, which abandoned capital punishment in 1973.4 For much of US
history, capital punishment was extended beyond the crime of murder to include,
among other offences, arson, burglary, armed robbery, rape, kidnapping, and
possession of certain firearms in connection with crimes of violence. 5

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/v...ontext=facpubs

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Old 01-31-2022, 10:06 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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The problem with this is, 186 in Texas have been on death row since 1973; and exonerated.
And 16 were exonerated after their executions.
Now if the broken system could get it right, then fine.
It's true that there are problems with the justice system that need to be corrected. However, the principle remains true that a person who murders another person should himself lose his own life. And in a case where the murderer is caught in the act and there can be no doubt as to his guilt then there is no justification for not executing him.
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