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Old 02-16-2022, 09:09 PM
 
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I've heard that most abductions of children are by one of the parents. That appears to be the case here. I'm guessing that the girl's father had custody and the girl's mother somehow took her and stashed her away at her parent's house (the girl's grandparents' house). Naturally, the grandparents are going to take their daughter's side of the story and believe that the "kidnapping" was justified.

I, too, doubt that the girl was confined to the damp hiding place all the time. It was probably only when authorities knocked on the door that she went into hiding.
Don't guess, just read the article. The article says the child was in the custody of a legal guardian but the girl's father and mother abducted the child and the two of them took her to the home of the father's father, (paternal grandfather) where they apparently all lived and hid out. The area under the stairs would have just been a hiding spot for the mother and child if needed.

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Old 02-17-2022, 02:33 AM
 
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Don't guess, just read the article. The article says the child was in the custody of a legal guardian but the girl's father and mother abducted the child and the two of them took her to the home of the father's father, (paternal grandfather) where they apparently all lived and hid out. The area under the stairs would have just been a hiding spot for the mother and child if needed.

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Thank you Zoisite for clarifying that news story. I was a bit miffed about how a paternal & maternal parent can be charged with kidnapping since its their own child.

So the Little one was being cared for by a court appointed Guardian , at which time the Guardian reported the child missing? Is that the correct data? Afterwhich it was years of the child being horded in the grandfathers home?

Why were the parents released though if they committed a felony? That just seems odd.
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Old 02-17-2022, 08:12 AM
 
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Thank you Zoisite for clarifying that news story. I was a bit miffed about how a paternal & maternal parent can be charged with kidnapping since its their own child.

So the Little one was being cared for by a court appointed Guardian , at which time the Guardian reported the child missing? Is that the correct data? Afterwhich it was years of the child being horded in the grandfathers home?

Why were the parents released though if they committed a felony? That just seems odd.
Information readily available online. This is from CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/16/us/pa...now/index.html

The child was reported missing on July 13, 2019, from Cayuga Heights, a village on the outskirts of Ithaca in upstate New York. At the time, she was believed to have been abducted by her parents, Kimberly Cooper and Kirk Shultis Jr., who did not have custody of her...Police chief Joseph Sinagra confirmed to CNN the two are Paislee's biological parents.

In the early days of the investigation, the girl's father (Shultis Jr.) denied knowledge of her whereabouts, and he told police Cooper had taken their daughter and fled to Philadelphia, the news release added.

Several of the tips authorities received in the past two years led them to a home in Saugerties, a town that is about 160 miles east of Cayuga Heights. But without a search warrant, officers were often denied entry and were allowed only "limited access" on a few occasions, the chief said.

"We'd been at the home ... almost a dozen times over a two-year period to follow up on leads," Sinagra said. Kirk Shultis Sr and Jr. would give officers limited access, police said, and would not allow them into the bedrooms or basement area. And each time, they denied knowing anything about the child, the chief said, adding, "They lied to us for two years, including the father, stating that he had no idea where his daughter was."

This week, an individual gave authorities the information they had been looking for to obtain a search warrant for that home.
"This tip was fresh, it was factual, the information provided was corroborated," Sinagra said. Though authorities had received other information about the home previously, they were not able to execute search warrants "on hearsay." Police did not say what the tip was or whom it came from.

But as soon as police received that piece of information, they took action.
"We immediately sent uniformed police officers to the residence and they stationed themselves outside the residence at around 4 o'clock" on the afternoon of February 14, 2022, he said. "The purpose of that was to make sure nobody left or came while our detectives were drafting up the search warrant," the chief added. "Once that search warrant was issued at approximately 8:06 p.m. ... we executed that search warrant."


For the first time, detectives were able to search every room in the house and go to the basement, where the police chief said they found what resembled an apartment.

"There was a kitchen, there were bedrooms, a living room area. One of the bedrooms was devoted to Paislee. It had her name on the wall, there (were) clothing items that were spread about the bedroom, the bed had appeared to have been slept in," Sinagra said. The residents told police the girl was not at the home, and said they had set up the room that way in case she ever returned.

The child's room was also near a staircase, under which police would eventually discover the young child and her mother hiding. A detective made the discovery after noticing something was odd about the stairs, and after a closer look saw a blanket between the cracks, the chief said.

"So they grab some tools and they start dissembling the staircase. And as they're removing the steps off the staircase, they see a set of feet, little feet," the police chief said. In that hiding spot, police also found blankets, a pillow, and clothing items, the chief said, adding it was apparent that location had been used more than once.

"It is our opinion, based on our investigation, that that location was used probably each and every time that we sent an officer to the residence to follow up on a lead,' he said.



Cooper was charged with two misdemeanors: custodial interference in the second degree and endangering the welfare of a child. Carol K. Morgan, an attorney for Cooper, said, "We should all wait until the facts come out. Everyone should be patient before they draw their own conclusions."

Kirk Shultis Jr. and Kirk Shultis Sr. were each charged with custodial interference in the first degree, a felony, and endangering the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. Lawyers for the two declined to comment.
Hearings for all three were held Wednesday and their cases were adjourned for a later date.

Sinagra told CNN that Cooper and Shultis Jr. lost custody of Paislee and her sister in 2019, before the disappearance. A legal guardian was granted custody, the chief said. "Depending on what the reason was why Paislee and her sister were removed from their mother and father's custody, that may have been rectified by now," he said. "Whatever that deficiency was, may have been corrected and those parents may have had full custody of their children today but this is going to be a major setback for them."

While police searched the home, Paislee did not make a sound, Sinagra said.
"Not a word, until they were fully exposed," he said, adding that when she was eventually discovered by police, the child was upset.
"I'm sure that when she saw several of our officers, who were heavily armed ... that was somewhat traumatizing to the child."
But she was found to be in good health, and by the next day, Tuesday, she seemed to be in good spirits, he said.
"We don't know what Paislee lived with for the past two years and we don't know what kind of damage may have been done because of the conditions that she had to live under," the chief said. "She was separated from her sibling, she didn't function like a normal child, as far as having the ability to go to school."
Police have not shared any details about the guardian Paislee was released to, or the nature of their relationship.
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Old 02-17-2022, 08:21 AM
 
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She didn't LIVE under the stairs, the girl's mom took her there to hide when law enforcement showed up at the house with a search warrant.

No signs of abuse.

At least THAT little girl will grow up knowing that mom loved her so much, she was willing to do anything it took, including becoming a fugitive; to not be separated from her.

Because you know what? When kids are removed from parents & custody is granted to a "guardian"; nobody tells the kids the truth. Nobody tells the kids "Mom can't take care of you because we won't let her." Nobody tells the kids anything. They grow up thinking Mom didn't want them.

No signs of abuse. It's likely that custody of this little girl wasn't taken away from Mom because of abuse, in the first place. Maybe mom used drugs at one point in time & got caught. And no; drug use does NOT = Neglect, although many times it's a risk factor. Maybe Mom was a victim of domestic violence.

At any rate, at least the girl knows how much Mom loved her & tried.
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Old 02-17-2022, 08:25 AM
 
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That makes it better, SMH

It DOES make it better. I'm incredulous you'd even say that. Would you rather know she spent 24/7 for 2 YEARS in that little hidey hole??
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Old 02-17-2022, 08:32 AM
 
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I've heard that most abductions of children are by one of the parents. That appears to be the case here. I'm guessing that the girl's father had custody and the girl's mother somehow took her and stashed her away at her parent's house (the girl's grandparents' house). Naturally, the grandparents are going to take their daughter's side of the story and believe that the "kidnapping" was justified.

I, too, doubt that the girl was confined to the damp hiding place all the time. It was probably only when authorities knocked on the door that she went into hiding.
Did you read the article? Both parents lost custody of the little girl and she was found at her paternal grandfather's house WITH the mother.
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Old 02-17-2022, 08:33 AM
 
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I’m just glad she was found safe at a relative’s home, and wasn’t abducted by a perv. That is a blessing!
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Old 02-17-2022, 09:14 AM
 
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She didn't LIVE under the stairs, the girl's mom took her there to hide when law enforcement showed up at the house with a search warrant.

No signs of abuse.

At least THAT little girl will grow up knowing that mom loved her so much, she was willing to do anything it took, including becoming a fugitive; to not be separated from her.

Because you know what? When kids are removed from parents & custody is granted to a "guardian"; nobody tells the kids the truth. Nobody tells the kids "Mom can't take care of you because we won't let her." Nobody tells the kids anything. They grow up thinking Mom didn't want them.

No signs of abuse. It's likely that custody of this little girl wasn't taken away from Mom because of abuse, in the first place. Maybe mom used drugs at one point in time & got caught. And no; drug use does NOT = Neglect, although many times it's a risk factor. Maybe Mom was a victim of domestic violence.

At any rate, at least the girl knows how much Mom loved her & tried.
I don’t know for sure why the kids were taken away but when kids are taken away from parents it’s usually for good reason. Drugs are often involved.

If mom loved her so much maybe she wound have been in a better situation for her kid in the first place. Sounds like a mess.
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Old 02-17-2022, 09:16 AM
 
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I’m just glad she was found safe at a relative’s home, and wasn’t abducted by a perv. That is a blessing!
True. It’s a happy ending that she was found alive.
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Old 02-17-2022, 09:20 AM
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No signs of abuse.

At least THAT little girl will grow up knowing that mom loved her so much, she was willing to do anything it took, including becoming a fugitive; to not be separated from her.
No schooling and probably very little interaction with kids her age. Is that love or an act of a sociopath?
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