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Old 03-22-2022, 09:11 AM
 
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https://www.aol.com/news/state-media...053225277.html

"China Eastern Flight 5735 was flying at 29,000 feet (8,840 meters) when it entered a steep, fast dive around 2:20 p.m. local time, according to data from FlightRadar24.com. The plane plunged to 7,400 feet (2,255 meters) before briefly regaining about 1,200 feet (370 meters) in altitude, then dove again. The plane stopped transmitting data 96 seconds after starting to dive."

The comments for the above article were interesting. Two men were speaking about "plane stall" and how to come out of it, another made comment of US Navy ("google it") using a laser to take it down, several asked "who" was on the plane, another commented it was because China refused to support Ukraine, others asked if icing on the wings caused this, some comments are said for "shock" value, but most make one think of the many reasons this could have happened......It is highly unusual, if it happens at all, for a plane to just "fall from the sky". Usually crashes occur at landing or take-off.

I look forward to hearing what happened to cause this tragedy. Wonder if we ever will?
The speculative conspiracy theories aside, the pilot did try to recover from the bolded above. So it doesn't sound like a suicide mission. Unless perhaps there was a fight in the cockpit?
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:27 AM
 
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Just beyond horrible. I couldn't even imagine
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:41 AM
 
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The speculative conspiracy theories aside, the pilot did try to recover from the bolded above. So it doesn't sound like a suicide mission. Unless perhaps there was a fight in the cockpit?
Or, one pilot tried to ditch the whole plane and the other pilot tried to bring it back until pilot A knocked out pilot B and commenced to crashing the whole load of people into the ground.
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Old 03-22-2022, 10:07 AM
 
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Or, one pilot tried to ditch the whole plane and the other pilot tried to bring it back until pilot A knocked out pilot B and commenced to crashing the whole load of people into the ground.
Could be. Seems so weird to see that plane nose dive vertically pointer down with an eyewitness saying there was no visible smoke or other such things from the plane as it fell. I guess the black box and investigation will reveal more.
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Old 03-22-2022, 10:17 AM
 
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The speculative conspiracy theories aside, the pilot did try to recover from the bolded above. So it doesn't sound like a suicide mission. Unless perhaps there was a fight in the cockpit?
It also doesn't sound like a malfunction of the plane. It seems to me that a temporary recovery couldn't be possible if a part fell off the airplane.
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Old 03-22-2022, 11:22 AM
 
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https://www.aol.com/news/state-media...053225277.html

"China Eastern Flight 5735 was flying at 29,000 feet (8,840 meters) when it entered a steep, fast dive around 2:20 p.m. local time, according to data from FlightRadar24.com. The plane plunged to 7,400 feet (2,255 meters) before briefly regaining about 1,200 feet (370 meters) in altitude, then dove again. The plane stopped transmitting data 96 seconds after starting to dive."

The comments for the above article were interesting. Two men were speaking about "plane stall" and how to come out of it, another made comment of US Navy ("google it") using a laser to take it down, several asked "who" was on the plane, another commented it was because China refused to support Ukraine, others asked if icing on the wings caused this, some comments are said for "shock" value, but most make one think of the many reasons this could have happened......It is highly unusual, if it happens at all, for a plane to just "fall from the sky". Usually crashes occur at landing or take-off.

I look forward to hearing what happened to cause this tragedy. Wonder if we ever will?
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The speculative conspiracy theories aside, the pilot did try to recover from the bolded above. So it doesn't sound like a suicide mission. Unless perhaps there was a fight in the cockpit?

Exactly. This was a struggle for control which was briefly regained before it was lost again.


Now.. The visuals on it, certainly look like there was intent. However.. Look at the rudder controls on the 737 I believe it was. Where the rudder could basically cause a loss on control.

China's aircraft maintenance seems to be far better than the majority of Asian carriers. but, you never know.


The folks over in the Aviation forum can likely find out all information about this aircraft.. Such as age and the like. Right now, we can just say it was a Boeing 737-800. At most, that plane was 25 years old, likely less than that.

To me, right now, all we can say is that it was a struggle for control. Whether that was due to human forces (Fight/other issues in the cockpit) or the pilots fighting against the plane itself due to a malfunction.. Remains to be seen. The black box and CVR data should answer those questions.
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Old 03-22-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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There's a fake video circulating online purporting to be someone filming from inside the plane as it crashes. It's an obvious fake.
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Old 03-22-2022, 12:20 PM
 
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I will never fly ever again.

We need high speed rail, or super fast hydrofoil boats.
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:25 PM
 
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The speculative conspiracy theories aside, the pilot did try to recover from the bolded above. So it doesn't sound like a suicide mission. Unless perhaps there was a fight in the cockpit?


It's looking like only a few things could have happened, most likely pilot related. Will be interesting if they do figure it out. Guess we'll see if black boxes can be recovered

One reason it would nosedive is if a pilot had a massive heart attack, leaned forward, it would send the plane nosediving.



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Or, one pilot tried to ditch the whole plane and the other pilot tried to bring it back until pilot A knocked out pilot B and commenced to crashing the whole load of people into the ground.

That's the 2nd reason why a plane would nosedive like it did.


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It also doesn't sound like a malfunction of the plane. It seems to me that a temporary recovery couldn't be possible if a part fell off the airplane.

I really hope they find the black boxes.

Weird that it is 8 years and 12 days since MH-370 disappeared.



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I will never fly ever again.

We need high speed rail, or super fast hydrofoil boats.

I don't fly much, not 60 yet, maybe a handful of times. It wouldn't stop me flying if I had to. I'm sure they will figure it out unless the black boxes are toast or if there's a cover up for some reason



The article below said it was about 100 miles from it's destination and that the pilots would have been starting their descent by dropping by a few thousand feet per minute, but instead, the plane plummeted at more than 30,000 feet per minute, plunging 26,000 feet in roughly 1 minute 35 seconds until the dive halted for about 10 seconds, briefly climbing before plunging again.



China Jet’s Nosedive From 29,000 Feet Baffles Crash Specialists March 21, 2022, 5:19 PM EDTUpdated onMarch 22, 2022, 11:17 AM EDT

Authorities will be seeking clues in China Eastern wreckage
Extreme profile of crash sets it apart from other disasters

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While there have been a handful of crashes in which an airliner plunged from cruising altitude, few, if any, fit the extreme profile of the Boeing Co. 737-800 as it pointed steeply toward the ground, according to veteran crash investigators and previous accident reports.

“It’s an odd profile,” said John Cox, an aviation safety consultant and former 737 pilot. “It’s hard to get the airplane to do this.”

They will be looking at the wreckage pattern ... ...any hints of possible malfunctions and detailed profiles of the crew.

Air traffic controllers tried multiple times to reach pilots of doomed China Eastern Flight 5735 after it began its deadly dive on Monday but received no response, Zhu said.
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:42 PM
 
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Exactly. This was a struggle for control which was briefly regained before it was lost again.


Now.. The visuals on it, certainly look like there was intent. However.. Look at the rudder controls on the 737 I believe it was. Where the rudder could basically cause a loss on control.

China's aircraft maintenance seems to be far better than the majority of Asian carriers. but, you never know.

...
The folks over in the Aviation forum can likely find out all information about this aircraft.. Such as age and the like. Right now, we can just say it was a Boeing 737-800. At most, that plane was 25 years old, likely less than that.
....
Flight #MU5735 was performed by a Boeing 737-89P aircraft with registration number B-1791. serial number 41474.
It was delivered to China Eastern Airlines in June 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_...es_Flight_5735

...Flight MU5735....The Boeing 737-800 plane was nearly seven years old, according to tracker websites....
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60819760
tail number B-1791
https://simpleflying.com/breaking-re...g-737-crashes/
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mu5735

https://www.scmp.com/topics/china-ea...t-mu5735-crash

(This message delivered from a 737-800 @28,000 ft (currently....)

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