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Old 04-13-2022, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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He pled guilty and they didn't take the death penalty off the table?

THAT is unusual. At that point, why plead guilty? What are they gonna do? Kill you twice?
Because no jury is going to find him not guilty. That is just not in the realm of possibility. The best the defense can hope for is life without parole. But the prosecutor is too big an ******* to agree to that.

The defendant is paying for his own defence. So by pleading guilty, he can save his funds for the death penalty phase, where it will do the most good, and get him the results he wants.

The majority of Florida residents favor life without parole over the death penalty. So the best the prosecution can hope for is the get 5 out of the 12 jurors to vote for the death penalty. They would need 12 out of 12 for a death sentence. So the verdict will be life without parole, which is what the defence is wanting.

The real losers will be the jurors who will have to sit through this, and lose six months of wages, and the taxpayers who will have to pay for this pointless trial.
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Old 04-13-2022, 02:59 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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I am SURE it's a lie lol... She looks like she could be 60.
No way is she SIXTY, I'm 54 & I'm sure she is younger than me.

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I am 1000 times hotter than that old lady. I should go get me a SD
I'm quite disappointed that I don't have a Sugar Daddy. I could really use one & I bet I'd be good at it. Sigh.
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Old 04-13-2022, 04:54 PM
 
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Because no jury is going to find him not guilty. That is just not in the realm of possibility. The best the defense can hope for is life without parole. But the prosecutor is too big an ******* to agree to that.

The defendant is paying for his own defence. So by pleading guilty, he can save his funds for the death penalty phase, where it will do the most good, and get him the results he wants.

The majority of Florida residents favor life without parole over the death penalty. So the best the prosecution can hope for is the get 5 out of the 12 jurors to vote for the death penalty. They would need 12 out of 12 for a death sentence. So the verdict will be life without parole, which is what the defence is wanting.

The real losers will be the jurors who will have to sit through this, and lose six months of wages, and the taxpayers who will have to pay for this pointless trial.

Well, especially if they DO return a death verdict and Florida then can't execute him.

SC just brought back the Electric Chair and Firing Squad as execution options since they can't get the lethal injection drugs. Some states are just not carrying out death sentences until they can procure the drugs, which.. It seems they won't be able to do.


But.. Wow. Yeah, it's just pretty rare to plead guilty and still face death. But.. I didn't realize which case this was, so.. That makes more sense as to why the prosecutor is pushing.

Not that it wouldn't make more sense to just go with life for the financial reasons you mention. Keeping him locked up for 70 years will likely be cheaper than this trial/sentencing/whatever the technical term is which will probably wind up with him being locked up for however long he lasts.
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Old 04-13-2022, 05:25 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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Well, especially if they DO return a death verdict and Florida then can't execute him.

SC just brought back the Electric Chair and Firing Squad as execution options since they can't get the lethal injection drugs. Some states are just not carrying out death sentences until they can procure the drugs, which.. It seems they won't be able to do.


But.. Wow. Yeah, it's just pretty rare to plead guilty and still face death. But.. I didn't realize which case this was, so.. That makes more sense as to why the prosecutor is pushing.

Not that it wouldn't make more sense to just go with life for the financial reasons you mention. Keeping him locked up for 70 years will likely be cheaper than this trial/sentencing/whatever the technical term is which will probably wind up with him being locked up for however long he lasts.
There is a case in Western PA where two guys were sentenced to death in 1981. One finally died in prison. The other one is still on death row pending appeals. There was no question of their guilt in the murders of 4 people. They called it the Kill for Thrill murders. This article details the case:

https://triblive.com/local/valley-ne...killing-spree/

With the Cruz case, I don't understand why the sentencing trial is expected to last from June until September. If he gets the death sentence, he will likely appeal anyways.
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Old 04-13-2022, 07:48 PM
 
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This young man cannot control his anger issues because of his gestation
Fetal alcohol syndrome happens during pregnancy
The child is born with a physical, mental, psychological limitation that probably can never be corrected
Sometimes never even mitigated
It is like blaming a child for being color blind—a genetic derived physical condition
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Old 04-13-2022, 09:42 PM
 
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This young man cannot control his anger issues because of his gestation
Fetal alcohol syndrome happens during pregnancy
The child is born with a physical, mental, psychological limitation that probably can never be corrected
Sometimes never even mitigated
It is like blaming a child for being color blind—a genetic derived physical condition
If what you are saying is true that he can't control his anger issues and this can't ever be corrected, then he should have been locked up from the day he was born to protect society from his anger and lack of control of his actions.

If a person is judged to be so socially unfit that they can't function in society and can't be held responsible for their actions, then they shouldn't be allowed to roam freely where they will be a danger to everyone else. Why wait until he murders 17 people and THEN decide he needs to be locked up?

As I see it, his parents and all authority figures in his life apparently decided that he wasn't all that dangerous and that he could be accountable for his actions. So, since that was the decision, then he should be held responsible for his actions. If the death penalty is one of the options for his crimes, then he should be subject to it just like everyone else. Otherwise, the message that we send is that anyone born with some "problem" has an automatic excuse for anything they do in life regardless how horrendous or damaging it may be to others.
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Old 04-13-2022, 10:20 PM
 
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I just say, I believe that all layers and level of Government operate as a domestic terrorist origination as there main goal is to steal my $$ and provide nothing in return to myself. In my mind no one is guilty since a judge who In my eyes is a domestic terrorist is over seeing the case.
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Old 04-13-2022, 10:30 PM
 
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I think I might try that.

I wanted to be on jury duty for YEARS. I would have received my full salary. Compared to my work, jury duty would have been a vacation. But no.

Now I'm retired & have a letter from my MD stating that I have a chronic medical condition that precludes me from serving...they must not understand the definition of "chronic", or, considering where I live, think it has a different meaning, because they keep bugging me.

Either way, if I get called again, here's my out.

Disclaimer, I am not familiar with this crime, don't come after me.
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Old 04-14-2022, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Well, especially if they DO return a death verdict and Florida then can't execute him.

SC just brought back the Electric Chair and Firing Squad as execution options since they can't get the lethal injection drugs. Some states are just not carrying out death sentences until they can procure the drugs, which.. It seems they won't be able to do.


But.. Wow. Yeah, it's just pretty rare to plead guilty and still face death. But.. I didn't realize which case this was, so.. That makes more sense as to why the prosecutor is pushing.

Not that it wouldn't make more sense to just go with life for the financial reasons you mention. Keeping him locked up for 70 years will likely be cheaper than this trial/sentencing/whatever the technical term is which will probably wind up with him being locked up for however long he lasts.
That too. The odds are 99% that he won't get the death penalty. But if somehow it happens and he does get a death sentence, then the odds would be 99% that he will never be executed. The trial is a waste of time and money.
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Old 04-14-2022, 06:43 AM
 
Location: DFW
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I would not want her to sit on my jury anyway. Prefer someone with a decent amount of IQ.
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