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I'm glad no women I know work in the same places some of the commenters in the thread work in, if they think this is appropriate in a work center during work hours even if it was consensual.
Yeah, the whole first page of this thread is full of some variation of "I'm assuming it was consensual..."
Why would anyone assume that sort of thing was "consensual?"
He'd apparently been making boorish remarks about the woman's anatomy for some time prior to the incident.
Why would anyone assume that sort of thing was "consensual?"
Because some people when they hear about sexual harassment, sexual assaults, or rapes automatically default to "Probably didn't happen; women are liars. And if it did happen, then she probably wanted it."
Not sure what that says about those people... or maybe I am but it's probably better not to post it since it kind of resembles some posters here.
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Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133
Doesnt motorboating require sticking your whole face into the chest/cleavage of female, and then nuzzling away, and then running away.
I don't know if running away is usually part of it, but I guess it's not a requirement when you're an officer who believes that being able to do it is a perk of their rank.
No, I (and presumably most others) am just wondering how this happened, without consent, without this moron getting his ass kicked.
I can’t imagine a situation such as this with an unwilling participant going down with any less than a brutal ass whooping.
No, I (and presumably most others) am just wondering how this happened, without consent, without this moron getting his ass kicked.
I can’t imagine a situation such as this with an unwilling participant going down with any less than a brutal ass whooping.
Because providing a superior officer with a "brutal ass whooping" isn't exactly done in the U.S. military? The guy was the officer-in-charge of that outpost.
Sounds like it was handled through the appropriate channels.
Sounds like it was handled through the appropriate channels.
Handled through the appropriate channels but far from appropriately-handled.
This incident with this major comes less than a month after the slap on the wrist that was the sentence Major General William Cooley received, the first Air Force general ever convicted in a court martial. He sexually assaulted his sister-in-law; she alleges that he forcibly kissed her without permission, groped her, and tried to force her hands onto himself. He was found guilty only of forcibly kissing her without permission. His punishment was a letter of reprimand and forfeiture of almost $11K a month for five months.
The DoD regularly sends a pretty clear message on who can get away with crimes and who cannot. Not that there aren't lower-enlisted folks who escape justice all the time though; the entire system needs overhauled and the recent decisions to create special investigative organizations that will remove the decision to prosecute or not from commanders do not go far enough.
Because providing a superior officer with a "brutal ass whooping" isn't exactly done in the U.S. military? The guy was the officer-in-charge of that outpost.
Sounds like it was handled through the appropriate channels.
I must be an odd duck then. Had a superior officer done that to me, I would have firmly planted my fist against his face.
We don't cast away our dignity and self-respect just because we join the military.
Not only were there other witnesses, she approached him the day before and requested that no celebration of her promotion be held. I mean, if someone is stating multiple times that they plan to assault you at your promotion pinning-on, you'll try to get out of it. He approached her the next day anyway and ordered her to stand (because an important thing to remember for the people who want to sympathize with the assaulter: he was an officer and holds power over her) before doing it anyway.
I'm glad no women I know work in the same places some of the commenters in the thread work in, if they think this is appropriate in a work center during work hours even if it was consensual.
Thanks for contributing EYEL1NER! You found out more than I knew. I didn't know that the female soldier had requested to NOT have the celebration. And I had kind of assumed people were drunk.
So...he DID deserve to lose his career and all his benefits, including his retirement.
I think it's awful behavior and deserving of punishment up to and including termination, but I hate the notion that we're always talking about taking people's retirements away for bad deeds done at work. This can't happen in the private sector, so shouldn't in the public sector either.
"You worked hard for 20 years but then did something bad in year 21 so we're going to take away your income you earned in the first 20 years". We don't even do that to murderers, let alone motorboaters.
I noticed he was National Guard on active duty—that makes a difference to me
National Guard units can vary so much in their level of professional/military-grade behavior
He was a weekend warrior out of his element
Likely did other things while on duty that were against military rules if they had taken the time/effort to investigate
And the fact they let him keep his retirement indicates (to me) that they wanted to keep the lid on other bad behavior
I wonder if the woman can file a civil suit since they were off-duty but still on military deployment
I think it's awful behavior and deserving of punishment up to and including termination, but I hate the notion that we're always talking about taking people's retirements away for bad deeds done at work. This can't happen in the private sector…..
It can't?
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