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Old 10-18-2022, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Maybe change that to "there are already more than enough humans in Wyoming and Montana causing problems."

It's not like the animal ran her down; she chose to get way too close so she'd have something to post on TikTok.


She was on a hiking trail in a state park. Certanly hiking has its dangers from wildlife everywhere, but the park service shouldn't be increasing that danger by introducing dangerous animals into a state park which has had none for well over a hundred years. Yes in a perfect world buffalo would roam free in Texas, but that is not the world we live in.

What's next? Lions and Tigers roaming free in New York City's Central Park? Wouldn't that be cool?

Actually Wyoming is the least populated state, and has the second lowest population density. Montana is almost as low. Texas on the other hand is the second most populated state and also has a moderately high population density. So I would have to disagree with your statement that there are more than enough humans to cause problems in Wyoming and Montana. There is plenty of room in Wyoming and Montana for humans and bison. Texas, no so much.
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Old 10-18-2022, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Is this footage real? Why did she put that silly music in the background while she was getting gored?
To pay for her hospital bill maybe? Also the music was added later, not while she was getting gored.
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Old 10-18-2022, 10:09 PM
 
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To pay for her hospital bill maybe? Also the music was added later, not while she was getting gored.

Well, duh.
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Old 10-19-2022, 04:16 AM
 
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She was hiking.
What I do not understand is why she seemed to continue walking and talking aloud? That part is stupid. Stand still and be quiet. And for goodness sakes, stop with trying to film it. #1 rule is staying safe. Keeping your camera out and trying to capture the experience is not smart.

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Old 10-19-2022, 06:07 AM
 
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She was on a hiking trail in a state park. Certanly hiking has its dangers from wildlife everywhere, but the park service shouldn't be increasing that danger by introducing dangerous animals into a state park which has had none for well over a hundred years. Yes in a perfect world buffalo would roam free in Texas, but that is not the world we live in.

What's next? Lions and Tigers roaming free in New York City's Central Park? Wouldn't that be cool?

Actually Wyoming is the least populated state, and has the second lowest population density. Montana is almost as low. Texas on the other hand is the second most populated state and also has a moderately high population density. So I would have to disagree with your statement that there are more than enough humans to cause problems in Wyoming and Montana. There is plenty of room in Wyoming and Montana for humans and bison. Texas, no so much.
Yes. Comparing a species native to the Texas environment in question being reintroducing to a rural, wild park is just like importing African and Asian species into an urban area.

I'm guessing you didn't use that icon in self-referential irony... which, in itself, was unintentionally ironic on your part.

Facts:
4.9 million people visit Yellowstone every year.
4000 bison call Yellowstone home.
Only about 25 people manage to get themselves injured by bison at Yellowstone annually.

This means that less than 1/10th of 1% of 1% of Yellowstone visitors (or, about 1 in 200,000) manage to come out on the wrong end of a bison encounter. In other words, a person has to exist at that special nexus of really foolish and extraordinarily unlucky to get gored. And you think we need to worry about this? And bend over backwards to accommodate unlucky fools?

We don't.

Period.

PS - The resident population of Wyoming is completely irrelevant to the Yellowstone visitor traffic, just as population of the state of Texas is completely irrelevant to the population of Briscoe County (15th-smallest out of 254 counties in the state) where this incident occurred.
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Old 10-19-2022, 06:21 AM
 
Location: DFW
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She was on a hiking trail in a state park. Certanly hiking has its dangers from wildlife everywhere, but the park service shouldn't be increasing that danger by introducing dangerous animals into a state park which has had none for well over a hundred years. Yes in a perfect world buffalo would roam free in Texas, but that is not the world we live in.

What's next? Lions and Tigers roaming free in New York City's Central Park? Wouldn't that be cool?

Actually Wyoming is the least populated state, and has the second lowest population density. Montana is almost as low. Texas on the other hand is the second most populated state and also has a moderately high population density. So I would have to disagree with your statement that there are more than enough humans to cause problems in Wyoming and Montana. There is plenty of room in Wyoming and Montana for humans and bison. Texas, no so much.
You can tell people who are not familiar with the sparse and open lands of West Texas. The populations of TX are in about 6 major cities on the eastern and northern part of the state. It's not as if this park is near downtown Dallas.

This vast expanse of TX has few people and the park is on 10,000 acres of land. This is a place you measure Ranches by the miles and miles or what is called Sections of Land. Bison have been on these lands long before we moved into their space.

These are not pet cows. Anyone with common sense knows to keep your distance from these wild animals.

She'll probably try to sue someone.
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Old 10-19-2022, 07:03 AM
 
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In her defense, she wasn’t trying to get a selfie with the animals. She was trying to get past them. Not sure why she was recording, though. And yeah, patience is a virtue, she was in too much of a rush to get by.
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Old 10-19-2022, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Yes. Comparing a species native to the Texas environment in question being reintroducing to a rural, wild park is just like importing African and Asian species into an urban area.

I'm guessing you didn't use that icon in self-referential irony... which, in itself, was unintentionally ironic on your part.
This is not a wild park. It's more of a glorified zoo. Its a very small 15,000 acre state park with 90 miles of hiking, biking and horseback riding trails, 136 campsites, 35 of them with running water and electricity. Contrast that to Yellowstone NP's 2.2 million acres.

This is not an appropriate place to put bison. It's clearly stressful to the animals as you can see in the video, and it's just flat out dangerous for the thousands of park visitors.
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Old 10-19-2022, 07:39 AM
 
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You can tell people who are not familiar with the sparse and open lands of West Texas. The populations of TX are in about 6 major cities on the eastern and northern part of the state. It's not as if this park is near downtown Dallas.

This vast expanse of TX has few people and the park is on 10,000 acres of land. This is a place you measure Ranches by the miles and miles or what is called Sections of Land. Bison have been on these lands long before we moved into their space.

These are not pet cows. Anyone with common sense knows to keep your distance from these wild animals.

She'll probably try to sue someone.
Actually 15,000 acres. Do you realize how small that is? Its 7 miles from one end to the other, the long way. The size of one small ranch. You are right these are no pet cows, which is why they should not be in a small park crowded with thousands of hikers, bikers, horseback riders, campers and fishermen.

The woman didn't even care about seeing the bison, she just wanted to go for a hike on an established well traveled hiking trail. The state failed to provide her with a safe environment for that.
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Old 10-19-2022, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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What I'm trying to figure out is why would Texas introduce bison into their state parks? They are extremely dangerous animals. Putting them into states parks crowded with hikers and campers is just a recipe for disaster.

There are already more than enough bison in Wyoming and Montana causing problems. I don't get the need to have them in Texas, but if it's that important they should find a large enough area for the herd and keep them separated from humans.
The federal government reintroduced packs of wolves to Yellowstone, so there is precedent.
Bison are indigenous to Texas.
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