Battle on dallas vs. Houston (Irving, Richardson: pubs, friendly, rated)

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by R1070

I agree with a lot of the above post however I don't think Dallas is as baptist bible banger as some people make it out to be. Also, Dallas is a lot more midwestern/southwestern feeling than Deep South. Houston has a lot more of a Gulf Coast/ Deep South feel than Dallas.

I agree with a lot of what he had to say too, but I also disagreed with that point. The predominat religion in Dallas is Catholicism by number of adherants even though protestant Christianity has a noticable presence here. I am also liberal and not big into church and I have had no problems in any way living here. Nobody has ever really asked me about my religion or my political beliefs. That is probably because Im not an "in-your-face" type of person. If I went around pushing my beliefs in peoples faces, I imagine I would get some sort of push back. But people here have never been pushy on me either.

The other thing is that I dont feel that Dallas feels southern. To me Memphis, Birmingham, Jackson, and the area around Atlanta feel very southern. Dallas doesnt feel like that. Dallas doesnt really feel like anything. It has a mix of Midwestern/Southern/Mexican vibes to it. Houston feels more southern to me even though it is also more international.

[Lakewooder]

There are only about three really big Baptist churches left in Dallas as far as I know - First, Wilshire and Park Cities... Wilshire is very moderate and left the conference...

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

There are only about three really big Baptist churches left in Dallas as far as I know - First, Wilshire and Park Cities... Wilshire is very moderate and left the conference...

The Potter's House.

[usc619]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

I'm an unbiased observer as I don't live in either city but spent time living in both cities.


RESTAURANTS - Tie - Dallas has more fine dining but Houston has more eclectic and unique restaurants.

ENTERTAINMENT - TIE - I really don't see how either city trumps the other in this area. The are essentially the same city with regard to entertainment options.

SHOPPING - Dallas - Dallas is superior. There is shopping everywhere and the volume of stores seems to be greater in Dallas.

ECONOMY/WORK - TIE - Both have strong economies. Dallas has a more diversified job market but Houston has a greater number of white collar??? higher paying jobs.

WEATHER - HOUSTON - Easy choice. Dallas has the worst of both worlds. It has hot humid summers and cold windy winters. Houston has bad summers but the rest of the year is nice.

AESTHETICS - Houston - Dallas is definitely cleaner but it's also flat and has no natural beauty or terrain. It's just a city out in a flat prairie with nothing around. Houston has a more coastal flavor and is more green. I think Houston has a nicer looking skyline as well.

PEOPLE - Houston - The Christian Right/Evangelical presence is fairly prominent in Dallas and it has more of a Southern feel as it is close to Oklahoma and Arkansas. Houston has a more multicultural feel to it with more African Americans and Hispanics.

LOCATION - HOUSTON - At least Houston is close to New Orleans and San Antonio. Dallas is not close to any fun cities unless you consider Oklahoma City, Little Rock and Shreveport fun cities. Dallas also has colder winters as a result of its more northern location.

Schools - DALLAS - the public schools in Dallas trump Houston. The overall quality of schools in Dallas beats Houston.

Lower Crime - DALLAS - Dallas really doesn't have many run down areas. The police seem to be more aggressive and have a bigger presence in Dallas too

Big City Feel - HOUSTON - Houston has a more multicultural feel. The Texas accent is less prominent in Houston. Houston seems to have more transplants. The culture is less Cowboy/Southern in Houston too.

More Potential for Growth and Prosperity - DALLAS - Dallas is on the rise and their very pro-business atmosphere and reduced red tape enables the city to continue to proper.

Nice, but I would have gave the Aesthetics to DFW and more potential for Growth and Prosperity to Houston....btw I've always seen DFW as the more White collar city

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by Scarface713

The Potter's House.

The majority of the members in theses churches are black. They have over 1,000 members in each church. (These churches are very close to each other.)

Friendship West Baptist Church



Insipring body of Christ Church (IBOC)



Full Gospel Tabernacle

I don't have a picture of this church

[Trae713]

St. John's Baptist Church is another big one with over 1,000 members, but it's in Grand Prairie, though close to Dallas city limits.

[usc619]

I was told TD Jakes is going to build a new in in Ft.Worth.

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by usc619

I was told TD Jakes is going to build a new in in Ft.Worth.

They have churches all over the area now, but the main church will be in Dallas.

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by Scarface713

St. John's Baptist Church is another big one with over 1,000 members, but it's in Grand Prairie, though close to Dallas city limits.

There's a St. John right up the street from my house.

[DFWMike]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

That might seem true to some who don't live in town. People who only see those areas often complain that Dallas is all freeways, big box stores, malls and that there are no trees.

The 'snob crowd' is generally found on either side of Preston from HP all the way north to the exurbs. That is only a small part of "Dallas". East Dallas is extremely friendly and the folks in Oak Cliff seem to me to be even more friendly. South Dallas is very friendly to those who don't immediately shun them. Oak Lawn is generally friendly but you tend to have some of that "Golden Corridor" crowd mixed in - same for Uptown. Areas with the most natives are friendly because that's the way we were raised. It was THE most important thing to remember about being a Texan.

I would agree that Montrose might feel a little more urban because I think Houston is way ahead on innovative town homes. However, if you think about it, Oak Lawn and Turtle Creek have some of those with mid-rises in the middle.

Dallas is very bohemian in parts of Old East Dallas, Oak Lawn, Design District, North Oak Cliff, Southside/Cedars (Lee Harvey's being the headquarters), Deep Ellum/Expo Park, Little Forest Hills - quite a few areas. It's really astounding how this crowd sort of morphs together. I didn't realize it so much until I got on Facebook and saw who gets invited to what and who is friends with whom...many less than six degrees of separation! Bands, artists, foodies and literary types are the glue.

The worst part about the weather in Houston - except the humidity of course, is the street flooding that happens during rainstorms. I got stuck in several horrible traffic jams when I lived there. Once I rolled down my window because I was afraid the car was going to overheat just sitting there. A jeep came from the opposite direction and thoroughly splashed me sitting in my car seat...

Btw, I disagree, read a few of Lakewooders comments and you'll see why. Lakewood has it's share of snobbiness as well as other sides of Dallas, if you want to see a side of Dallas that is as friendly as houston in general, try Fort Worth. It's just impossible for some people to admit Dallas may not win in all regards, I didn't say everyone was a snob.

Frisco has that snobbiness factor so I picked an area of Frisco that wasn't as much that way. All areas have their trends, Houston's trend is clearly more friendly than Dallas, period. But thats really picking out of the same barrel. They're both MUCH friendlier than..say...Boston. And I love Boston, I'm not terribly friendly myself. Lakewooder gets so caught up trying to prove that anyone who moves to Collin County is making a dreadful mistake that he/she tends to disregard anything that is said from N of LBJ.