Which is better Dallas or Houston??? (Fort Worth, River Oaks: hotels, versus, centers)

[Expert Opinion]

Suburbs are such a drain on a city's economy. In DFW ANYTHING worth doing is located outside of Dallas and you must drive for miles in bumper to bumper traffic. The dallas suburbs keep dallas from ever being a true world class city. The Dallas suburbs drain dallas of any personality.

Houston was right in annexing all the suburbs so that all those tax dollars go to the great city of Houston. The Houston suburbs will never steal Houston's glory the way dallas suburbs did. And you don't have to drive for hour to go to a baseball or football game. You can just take the rail in Houston. The rail in Dallas will never go to Arlington. Poor Dallas, you suck.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

You have some serious problems bro.

[Ulect]

Man the Magaret hill bridge in the Trinity river will be a major attraction for

the DFW area also the museum tower under construction and the new Omni

hotel going to be completed in 2012 man Dallas will be an attraction area

before long. At least Dallas will have the Orange line that will connect to the

DFW airport in 2014 which is superior than the Houston's airport f that rail

connect to the DFW airport man Houston is Done because as far as I am

concerned. Houston does not even have a rail that connects to the airport at

all which is an example of the lack of zoning in Houston and it will prevent the

growth in that city just wait you will see.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by stoneclaw

You can cut it, shape it, dice it to fit any mold you want. If you put all of Central Dallas and surrounding neighborhoods against Houston's CBD doesn't make for a very fair comparison now does it? If you're going to do that, why don't you throw in Montrose, Midtown Houston, Museum District, and Texas Medical Center/Rice area (including Rice Village).

With your same logic, why don't we go ahead and throw in the whole DFW metroplex and compare it with Houston CBD. Heck, even inner loop Houston almost compares with the metroplex if you ask me. Almost everything DFW has to offer can be found inside or a couple of miles outside Loop 610.

Well, because the development in Houston isn't as along. The dream of Midtown in Houston is still non existent. It isn't just cut off on the north side from downtown by elevated freeways, but on the southern side as well from the Museum District and partially along the western side leading into the Montrose area. Funny, the only development in Midtown seems to be pouring in from the one area west of Houston that doesn't have an elevated freeway. Check it out for yourself.
So, you see, I have considered this. There just isn't the gap between downtown Dallas and the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center as there is between downtown Houston and the Texas Medical Center. If you had to say, downtown Houston is actually expanding more westward than southward towards the TMC.

Here is a picture of what central Dallas looks like from the Southwestern Medical Center to downtown Dallas.
Stemmons Corridor Business Association
http://www.dallascityhall.com/forwar...nsCorridor.pdf
Sorry about the picture zooming off to the side. I have already complained to the, ahem, people about doing such a thing. I just added a better picture. One can see both of these areas growing together in the near futhre.
Here is a picture of what the corridor between downtown Houston and the Texas Medical Center looks like.
Texas Medical Center - Institutions of the Texas Medical Center
First off, there is already a greater distance between downtown Houston and the TMC than there is between downtown Dallas and the Southwestern Medical Center. In logical order, one goes from downtown Houston, to midtown, to the museum district, Herman Park, and then finally to the TMC -- five steps.
In the same logical order, one goes from downtown Dallas, to Uptown, to the market center / hotel district, and then to Southwestern Medical Center -- only four steps. There is a two mile long gap, with most of this being Midtown, between downtown Houston and the Museum district while there doesn't exist many gaps at all between downtown Dallas and the Southwestern Medical Center.
If the city of Dallas was smart, then it would bury the North Dallas Tollway interchange portion coming off Stemmons as it seperates Uptown from the Market Center area. This particular area has more hotel rooms than downtown Dallas. Accoring to the webcite above, there are less than 7000 people living within what is the huge district of the Stemmons corridor. As the lightrail line opens, certainly that will strengthen central Dallas as a whole.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by Expert Opinion

Downtown dallas is still downtown dallas. You live in a dreamworld. The neighborhoods of dallas didn't change just because you'd like everyone to believe this weird scenario. Did they run out of your usual meds tonight? You are even more incoherent and delusional than usual.

The massive area in central Houston (the inner loop) is far closer to being the new downtown of Houston in the same way you describe the 'new' downtown dallas. I mean at least all the skylines in Houston's downtown, uptown, and TMC resemble one giant central business much more than the neighborhoods you named in dallas. And the area must be at least 30 times larger than Dallas' pitiful central business district.

TMC alone is poised to be larger than Downtown Dallas in a few years at the rate things are going. Houston's Medical Center is BOOMING & Dallas still plays second fiddle to that. All of Dallas' main hospitals are so scattered about the city, not concentrated into one semi urban core like in Houston. The Texas Medical Centers skyline is almost as tall as Downtown Fort Worth & many other mid sized cities downtowns across the country.

[stoneclaw]

Originally Posted by Mister Nifty

Well, because the development in Houston isn't as along. The dream of Midtown in Houston is still non existent. It isn't just cut off on the north side from downtown by elevated freeways, but on the southern side as well from the Museum District and partially along the western side leading into the Montrose area. Funny, the only development in Midtown seems to be pouring in from the one area west of Houston that doesn't have an elevated freeway. Check it out for yourself.
So, you see, I have considered this. There just isn't the gap between downtown Dallas and the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center as there is between downtown Houston and the Texas Medical Center. If you had to say, downtown Houston is actually expanding more westward than southward towards the TMC.

Here is a picture of what central Dallas looks like from the Southwestern Medical Center to downtown Dallas.
Stemmons Corridor Business Association
Sorry about the picture zooming off to the side. I have already complained to the, ahem, people about doing such a thing.
Here is a picture of what the corridor between downtown Houston and the Texas Medical Center looks like.
Texas Medical Center - Institutions of the Texas Medical Center
First off, there is already a greater distance between downtown Houston and the TMC than there is between downtown Dallas and the Southwestern Medical Center. In logical order, one goes from downtown Houston, to midtown, to the museum district, Herman Park, and then finally to the TMC -- five steps.
In the same logical order, one goes from downtown Dallas, to Uptown, to the market center / hotel district, and then to Southwestern Medical Center -- only four steps. There is a two mile long gap, with most of this being Midtown, between downtown Houston and the Museum district while there doesn't exist many gaps at all between downtown Dallas and the Southwestern Medical Center.
If the city of Dallas was smart, then it would bury the North Dallas Tollway interchange portion coming off Stemmons as it seperates Uptown from the Market Center area. This particular area has more hotel rooms than downtown Dallas. Accoring to the webcite above, there are less than 7000 people living within what is the huge district of the Stemmons corridor. As the lightrail line opens, certainly that will strengthen central Dallas as a whole.

It is true that only the western part of midtown is where most of the development seems to be going. I blame the Greyhound bus station. At least with the new Camden apartments in the old chinatown in Midtown, it is starting to show signs that the development is beginning to start shifting towards the east half of Midtown towards Main Street.

I realize the gap between Medical Center and downtown, but there's still the Museum district and residents around that keeps some continuity. Dallas doesn't have the urban clusters that Houston has.

[Dallas12]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

TMC alone is poised to be larger than Downtown Dallas in a few years at the rate things are going. Houston's Medical Center is BOOMING & Dallas still plays second fiddle to that. All of Dallas' main hospitals are so scattered about the city, not concentrated into one semi urban core like in Houston. The Texas Medical Centers skyline is almost as tall as Downtown Fort Worth & many other mid sized cities downtowns across the country.

Larger than Dallas CBD in office/medical/working space.

[codytravers]

Houston is cool except you can't walk to ****. Uptown Dallas is way cooler than anything that Houston has to offer for young professionals.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by stoneclaw

It is true that only the western part of midtown is where most of the development seems to be going. I blame the Greyhound bus station. At least with the new Camden apartments in the old chinatown in Midtown, it is starting to show signs that the development is beginning to start shifting towards the east half of Midtown towards Main Street.

I realize the gap between Medical Center and downtown, but there's still the Museum district and residents around that keeps some continuity. Dallas doesn't have the urban clusters that Houston has.

Okay, but when traveling towards downtown on Stemmons Expressway, why wouldn't one consider themselves to be in central Dallas when passing the Southwestern Medical Center? If the huge district that is the Stemmons Corridor does have 170,000 daytime employees and only 7,000 night time residents, then it truly is a business district. So, figure one goes from downtown Dallas, to Uptown, and then to the Market Center and the Southwestern Medical Center within the Stemmons Corridor. Altogether, they make up what even a child would recognize as central Dallas.
I don't think because of the two mile gap caused by Midtown that the same can be said about the area between downtown Houston and the Texas Medical Center.
You know, you need retail somewhere along the way. I think the retail is further west of this corridor along Westheimer and in the area just east of River Oaks. Like you said, Rice Village. But Rice Village is a ways off east of the TMC.

[Mister Nifty]

Originally Posted by Dallas12

Larger than Dallas CBD in office/medical/working space.

Excluding office space, there are as many hotel rooms in downtown Dallas as there are hospital beds in the Texas Medical Center. I think there is some significance to be found in that comparison. I will let him work it out.