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Old 11-05-2010, 05:21 PM
 
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As Stonebriar has increased its sales every year it's been open save for one, with that being 2009, where is the joke?
The joke is that you believe that Frisco, TX can compete with Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo... in retail. Do you have any idea how gargantuan some of those cities are?! No offense to Frisco (and DFW in general), but it's just totally silly to believe that Stonebriar, Frisco will be the world's largest shopping destination....

Even Vienna's shopping streets (and most of Europe's big cities pedestrian zones) beat Stonebriar as a shopping destination by sheer size.

Have you EVER been to any of the cities I mentioned? I bet not.
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:27 PM
 
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The joke is that you believe that Frisco, TX can compete with Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo... in retail. Do you have any idea how gargantuan some of those cities are?! No offense to Frisco (and DFW in general), but it's just totally silly to believe that Stonebriar, Frisco will be the world's largest shopping destination....

Even Vienna's shopping streets (and most of Europe's big cities pedestrian zones) beat Stonebriar as a shopping destination by sheer size.

Have you EVER been to any of the cities I mentioned? I bet not.
Odd that the city of Dallas once boasted more retail space per capita than any other city in the world. You make it sound like the retail in the fastest growing metropolitan area in the greatest nation on earth is insignificant when shopping and Dallas have always been synonomous.
First off, a commercial shopping district (Northpark) is different from just a flagship mall with a lot of retail surrounding it (Towneast Mall). While a commercial shopping district might be anchored by a mall, it will also attract office space, and in the case of Stonebriar, some entertainment venues to serve as lead-in development into it. While the businesses are the focal point in the Telecom Corridor, shopping is the focal point within the Stonebriar Centre commercial shopping district so much so that the long established Legacy office park is now serving as lead-in while Stonebriar Centre serves as the focal point. I am sure that in the future the owners of Legacy won't mind marketing themselves as under the influence of Stonebriar if such a designation helps in decreasing its office vacancies.
By the way, how is the office market doing around Stonebriar Centre?

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Old 11-07-2010, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Frisco,TX -Stonebriar
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Default Frisco has a Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone TIRZ

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Stonebriar Centre has transformed Frisco's look | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News
Frisco to contract to buy 91 acres as part of negotiations to attract children's amusement park | FRISCO Blog | dallasnews.com
I assume the billion dollar production studio is still planned for Stonebriar but just in a different location. According to the most recent article, Stonebriar Centre now has the greatest concentration of retail in the southwestern portion of the United States. It wouldn't surprise me if in the future this commercial shopping district develops to have the largest concentration of retail in the world.

Yes, Frisco has a Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone TIRZ this area developed by our Economic Development Corporation- which started when Frisco built the mall and the city in 1997 set up 720 acres including the mall & surrounding land. Tons of big box shopping centers, restaurants , apartments & office which surrounds Stonebriar Mall. The TITZ zone was valued at 16.1mill, the zone captures growth in property taxes value and puts revenues generated from that value in a seperate fund. Since formed, the value was estimated at 350. mil, today it is valued over 959.8mil. Revenued collected thru Friscos tax zone has totaled more than 169 million since the mall opened in 2003.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:08 AM
 
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Yes, Frisco has a Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone TIRZ this area developed by our Economic Development Corporation- which started when Frisco built the mall and the city in 1997 set up 720 acres including the mall & surrounding land. Tons of big box shopping centers, restaurants , apartments & office which surrounds Stonebriar Mall. The TITZ zone was valued at 16.1mill, the zone captures growth in property taxes value and puts revenues generated from that value in a seperate fund. Since formed, the value was estimated at 350. mil, today it is valued over 959.8mil. Revenued collected thru Friscos tax zone has totaled more than 169 million since the mall opened in 2003.
These things were created in Houston because of what happened to the area surrounding Greenspoint Mall. The Greenspoint (Gunspoint) Mall area quickly developed into a crime infested neighborhood. Because Frisco implements zoning, why would it even have a Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone?
But don't get me wrong. One after the other, Frisco seems to be making the right choices.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Collin County
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Those two areas are not comparable based on age and by careful planning by Frisco city leaders! Houston & Dallas are so different in zoning altogether!
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:57 AM
 
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Those two areas are not comparable based on age and by careful planning by Frisco city leaders! Houston & Dallas are so different in zoning altogether!
Yes, the city of Houston has no zoning so it had to invent something to keep its nice areas from going to hell just like they did in Greenspoint. But the city leaders in Dallas - Fort Worth, because they already have zoning, shouldn't be utilizing these type of a tax district. Simple.
It is all a matter of learning how not to think in an animated fashion. If they can keep us from putting the simplest of dots together, from point A to point B, and then from point B to point C, then our lives will erode becoming just as silly as a cartoon. Pretty soon these folks will have us all encaged in a zoo while all those animals they spent trillions on saving from going extinct will have free admittance to evolve and study us.
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Collin County
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So the point is?
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:12 PM
 
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So the point is?
The Greenspoint disaster happened because the city of Houston had no zoning. The rumor going around about Exxon is that the huge corporation is moving out further north 10 miles to Spring because its development in Greenspoint now sits in the middle of a crime ridden area. Houston invented tax districts for the sake of quality control. Because the cities within the Dallas - Fort Worth area have always had zoning, they don't need these tax districts. Once again, it is point A to point B, and then point B to point C. The people have become so ragged out that we have lost our will to make our leaders serve us.
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Old 11-08-2010, 02:46 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I just don't understand this whole local lore about NorthPark or Galleria or any mall around here. What's the big deal? I don't mean to berate, but these malls absolutely pale in comparison to true great shopping centers.

I'm sorry, but if someone tries to tell me this chunk of orange steel at NorthPark is world class art, I just feel you're trying to insult my intelligence.

When I went to Europe I got a lesson in the Art of Shopping. Galleries Lafayette, Selfridges, Printemps, Harrods .... now that's world class.

My camera couldn't even begin to capture the astonishing detail of the Dome in the Galerie Lafayette, so I'll link to pix on

Wiki:





Many more interesting photos here:

World's Finest Department Stores - Page 4 - SkyscraperCity
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:59 AM
 
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Default Here is the city of Dallas in a nut-shell

Once again, here is the city of Dallas, Texas in a nut shell. Altogether, there are six commercial shopping districts in Dallas, Texas lined up along or in close proximity to the golden corridor of Preston Road - seven if one includes the potential for The Shops at Willow Bend to one day develop into one. A potential visitor living outside of the Dallas area will have to ignore the negative opinions often expressed in this thread and others like it as such views can be attributed to these people taking the city of Dallas for granted, to them not being able to see the forest for the trees, or to them being outright envious.
Simply put, shopping is the only thing that seperates the city of Dallas from Fort Worth as, in comparison, the smaller of the two major cities doesn't really have a commercial shopping district of its own. Dallas is world class when it comes to this endeavor and always has been. The type of art located in each shopping district is beside the point in Dallas, Texas, for it is the shear number of the commercial shopping districts that one should marvel at. Take a look along Preston Road from downtown Dallas to Frisco for some twenty-five miles and one will see the evolution of the shopping center. Of course, the earliest commercial shopping district was downtown Dallas itself. As this area is constantly tripped up and befuddled by social politicking and planning, it has been trying to revision itself for some forty years now. However, a commercial shopping district in central Dallas does seems to be forming in the northeastern portion of downtown around the Arts District heading northeast through Uptown to the West Village town center in CityPlace. Perhaps one day it will stretch all the way towards a TOD called Mockingbird Station.
The next evolution in shopping happened to the north of downtown Dallas along the golden corridor of Preston Road and it is called Highland Park Shopping Village. Highland Park Village - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The next change in shopping took place a few blocks north of Highland Park Village and is called Preston Center. Although Preston Center is a commercial shopping district utilizing office space and high rise residential as lead-in development, it has perhaps the most premium real estate in all of the Southwest.
Preston Center, Dallas, Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
To the east of Preston Road is the Northpark / Eastpark commercial shopping district. If the real estate in and around Northpark falls off a tad from that of Preston Center, the recently constructed Park Lane shopping center (Eastpark) seems to know its place in the scheme of things and just how far away it is from the golden corridor of Preston Road as it appears to have been designed intentionally with its back pointed towards Northpark. As future development in the area seems to be headed towards the east along Loop 12, this now seems to have been the smart thing to do. To the east of this upscale development along Loop 12 is a burgeoning area of discount stores. One can appreciate the depth of Dallas shopping by how the scale is establised at Preston Center, falls just a little as one travels east of there to Northpark, falls even more as one travels east of there to Park Lane, and, finally, falls to discount as one travels east of there towards Skillman Road with the significance being that there exists no such thing as downscaling in retail marketing. While it can be argued that the Northpark / Eastpark commercial shopping district falls off in value of real estate and, so, in scale of shopping when compared to Preston Center, its total area is far more massive in size.
NorthPark Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
To the north of Preston Road is another commercial shopping district that at one time had the distinction of being served by three malls, with these being the Dallas Galleria, the Valley View mall, and the Prestonwood Mall. The now defunct Prestonwood Mall was demolished and replaced by a supercenter of discount stores. This huge area between these three malls is now in the state of being revisioned as it still has lots of retail to offer with furniture outlets taking prominence. As the focal point of this location leans less towards the numerous office building within this district and more towards the Dallas Galleria and its huge amounts of shopping and towards the huge amounts of restaurants and hotels north of there located in the city of Addison, this whole area should be considered more of a commercial shopping district than a business district.
Galleria Dallas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And, of course, there is Stonebriar.
Stonebriar Centre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While there is now a lot of doubt about whether the Shops at Willow Bend will hang in there and survive, one can't deny that its characteristics take on more of the quality of a commercial shopping district than the other retail areas in and about Dallas - Fort Worth which were developed to be anchored by a mall as their flagship along with the kinds of retail that soon follows built up around them.
The Shops at Willow Bend - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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