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Old 01-03-2011, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Pflugerville
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Please help me decide where would be a better life. I am in Mpls and hate the cold (today I will be locked indoors). Want to move to Dallas or Austin. Thanks!
I don't care where you move. I think it is silly to move to any place where you don't have a job lined up. You haven't given us any information about yourself other than that you, presumably, are alive. Do you have a job? Do you want to work in the same industry. Do you have any needs other than "i don't like cold?" Are you educated? Do you have any marketable skills? Any Children that need a good school district to live in? Do you have any savings to help you pay rent while you look for a job? Do you have any special needs that we should take into consideration?

Basically, we know nothing about you, but you want us to steer you in life. Jesus.

My advice to you would be to find out which city you can find employment in, and then move there.

To be perfectly frank, there is not much difference in Any metropolitan Texas City. Who care if Dallas has a few more restaurants or Austin has a few more concert venues? Unless you eat out everyday or go to concerts every night, that will have a low impact on the quality of your life.

The things you need to look for is,

1) apartment/house affordibility

Austin and Dallas are pretty Neck and Neck here. Many people, especially some of the...i guess you could call them people...people on this board will insist that one is far cheaper than the other, but it's not. If you compare apples to apples a downtown condo will cost the same in both cities. A low income, thrown together suburb will cost the same in both cities. A rented room in a crack house will cost the same in both cities.

2) Employment.

Depending on your industry, jobs can be tough to find. Times are rough all over, but the job marked is notoriously soft in Austin, and always will be. UT churns out a slew of graduates every year that never want to leave Austin because they have grown to love it so much. That pretty much means that any job you apply for is going to have other applicants that are younger, better educated, and willing to work for less. Some industries like Health Care can be difficult to get into if you don't know the "old guard" or have a friend that can help you get your foot in the door.

3) Support System

Moving across the country is a big deal. If you don't have any friends or family here, I suggest you get on ye olde internete and find some (City-Data does NOT count). There are many singles groups or social groups you can join online to meet people who will ease your transition. The quality of the friends you make there will help steer you in the direction of what is a better city for you.


In all honesty, there is not a HUGE difference in any City in Texas. Cities have different FLAVORS, to be sure, but really, that should be the least of your concerns. Would a starving man care if you offered him a choice between white bread and wheat? It's all the same.


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seriously, now I am much more interested in Dallas over Austin, thanks to arstsyguy. I think this was a good description.
I feel sorry for you then dude.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Caveat Emptor". I dare you to look at the last 50 posts by ArtsyGuy, and if you can find even 2 that are not bashing Austin, then I will give you a cookie.

ArtsyGuy spends an unbelivably strange amount of time going on every forum on City-Data and writing preposterous things about Austin. He lived here for a very brief time, and in that time developed a hate for Austin that chills the soul. He is constantly in the Austin forum telling us how horrible we are, how we eat our own babies and are all KKK members.

If you trust a stranger, with a clear axe to grind, to give you life altering advice....well, you sort of deserve what you get. I mean, ArtsyGuy says that UT Austin is full of white supremacists, when UT Austin is the 5th largest University in the country, with students from over 120 foreign countries. 49% of UT Austins student body are either Non-White or Foreign students. This information is easy to look up Sammy332.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...ademic_profile

So basically you can easily look up the FACTUAL stats on a University from reliable sources, but some random internet stranger comes along and says "That University is full of White Supremacists" and you go "Oh wow, thanks for letting me know, that totally changes my mind on the whole town!". There are over 1 million people in the Austin/Round Rock metroplex. You are so gullible as to believe that ALL the hispanics are illegals that live in one tiny ghetto? That ALL the white people are open or closet KKK members? That a city of that size has no alternate view points, or people from foreign countries?

I hope you are happy wherever you go. But if you are so easily duped, please don't come to Austin. To quote Jack Nicholson, "We are full up on crazy here". Let Dallas take some of the out of state transplants for a change.

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Old 01-03-2011, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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I hope you are happy wherever you go. But if you are so easily duped, please don't come to Austin. To quote Nicholson, "We are full up on crazy here". Let Dallas take some of the out of state transplants for a change.
Im pretty sure that when you take into account out of state and out of country birth rates in both, they are pretty close. Austin has higher percentage of people born out of state, but Dallas has a higher percentage of people born out of country.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Pflugerville
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Im pretty sure that when you take into account out of state and out of country birth rates in both, they are pretty close. Austin has higher percentage of people born out of state, but Dallas has a higher percentage of people born out of country.
LOL< Which is why I said "let Dallas take some of the out of state transplants for a change".

I don't mind if people move here, but I don't take the OP seriously. I almost feel like I should try to see if I can sale him the Brooklyn Bridge or a piece of the moon.

But to be honest, I dont know what you mean!! Austin is terrible, right? I mean let's listen to strangers on the internet. Austin's population has doubled in the last 10 years, but no one moves here!! The rednecks drive them off!!
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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But to be honest, I dont know what you mean!! Austin is terrible, right? I mean let's listen to strangers on the internet. Austin's population has doubled in the last 10 years, but no one moves here!! The rednecks drive them off!!
I personally dont feel that way at all. I like Austin a lot.

There are a lot of exaggerations going on in this thread about Austin and Dallas. I personally feel bad for anyone who make a moving decision based on something they read on CD.
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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oops, Ft Worth I meant.
Yet, the fastest growing part of the metropolitan area is northern Fort Worth. The Minneapolis - St. Paul area is similar to Dallas - Fort Worth but DFW airport just so happened to grow to be located almost dead center of the metropolitan area, with it being the major economic engine of the North Texas region. And there is more than just the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth anchoring this metropolitan area. Altogether, there are five county seats serving as solid pillars with these being Fort Worth (approaching a million residents), Denton (over 100,000), Mc Kinney (over 100,000), Rockwall, and Dallas (over a million). Another major difference is the invisible city of a million residents living between Dallas and Fort Worth led by Arlington (approaching 400,000 residents), Irving (over 200,000) and Grand Prairie (150.000).
The Dallas area alone, serving as the market for the south, has three major corridors. As one corridor has a string of commercial shopping districts stretching for 23 miles, another has a string of transit oriented developments strectching for 20 miles, while the last one has a string of employment centers that stretch for 18 miles.
Together, the Dallas-Fort Worth area is a huge distribution point with over 700,000,000 square feet of space.
If the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth were the same, then there would be little reason to visit each of them. Truly, here is where east meets west, with Dallas being more like the eastern city and Fort Worth being more like the western one. Fort Worth has become the headquarters for the largest gas field in North America. It also has the lions share of the metropolitan area's aerospace industry. It has its own famous arts and museum district, a prettier zoo, it has its own corporations (though many of them are located in northern Tarrant county), it has its own universities and community colleges, and it has its own wealth of billionaires.
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Pflugerville
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I personally dont feel that way at all. I like Austin a lot.

There are a lot of exaggerations going on in this thread about Austin and Dallas. I personally feel bad for anyone who make a moving decision based on something they read on CD.
I do too, but like I said, if you do what strangers tell you, you get what you deserve.

Honestly though, I don't think the OP is serious. I mean, how can he expect honest advice when he just says "Hi, should I move to Austin or Dallas? It's cold today!"

How could we possibly advise him with just that? How can you ask "Which city is best for me?" when we know NOTHING about you.

That's like going into the doctor and saying:

PATIENT "can i get some medicine?"

DOCTOR "Well what seems to be bothering you?"

PATIENT "Can I have some medicine?"

DOCTOR "Well.....what kind of medicine are you looking for?"

PATIENT "Seriously dude, it's cold, can I have some medicine?"

ARTSYGUY "DUDE, Austin is full of KKK memebers, you should be on Ritalin and Codeine!!"

PATIENT "Wow Artsyguy, you have made me a believer!! Although you are not a medical professional, I will now go take copious amounts of both Ritalin and codiene! thank you!!"

DOCTOR "How did you get into my office, Artsyguy?"
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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I personally dont feel that way at all. I like Austin a lot.

There are a lot of exaggerations going on in this thread about Austin and Dallas. I personally feel bad for anyone who make a moving decision based on something they read on CD.
As Dallas - Fort Worth is the place where east meets west, Austin is the place where a hippy met a cowboy. It is where Willie Nelson moved to, looked around, and then promptly grew his hair out.
And, most important, Austin, being a city of intellectuals, is home of the first person to ever solve the Texas A&M "Aggie Cube." Indeed, on the sixth of January, Nineteen-eighty-three, Humphry Smith, a computer geek, figured out all by himself that, "it seems to be a solid square block of wood with each of its six sides painted a different color."
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Not to be outdone, you grace us with this hyperbolic nonsense, below...



...and I was indirectly accused (above) of exaggeration. Here's a prime example of real exaggeration and probably without even an anecdotal basis. Like, hypocritical much?



"Actually wealthy"--what does that even mean? It's clearly absent in your post but it might be possible to establish a factual underpinning for this statement. Statistically the two cities have nearly the same amount of "wealthy" (i.e., high-income by Census definition; over $200k/yr) households. I don't consider that "actually wealthy" but your deliberate ambiguity leaves this completely open to interpretation.

As far as class is concerned, that's completely subjective and your definition is likely quite different from mine.

If you think flashy lifestyles mixed with Southern Baptist values and a hint of Texas arrogance is "classy," indeed, Dallas fits this definition perfectly.



Which of course is almost exactly the same demographic of Dallas except there are more black people. Dallas is no more inviting than Austin if you don't cluster into one of the many racially segregated areas of the city.
Your first quote about people exaggerating on this thread came from me. I'm not sure why you quoted 80 as saying it. I don't really think I was hard or unfair on Austin.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:11 AM
 
Location: SXSW
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Don't make the same mistake I did (in moving to Austin).

In living in Dallas before moving here for a job, there is no comparison -- Dallas wins in culture, amenities, diversity, and is a real big city. A place where you're embraced and can find your niche whatever your race, religion (or lack thereof), sexual orientation, career, or income.

In a word, Dallas is cosmopolitan. It rejects the parochialism that defines Austin and the rest of central/south Texas.

In living here for two years, the most apparent Austin demographic is as follows:

sheltered white 20-to-30 somethings, with no real goals in life, no careers, disillutionized, who call themselves "hipsters" because they grow their hair out and listen to the newest "oh-I'm-so-cool-because-you've-never-heard-of-it" band.

Yes, these are the same people who's entire wardrobe consists of flannel shirts and tight jeans with several tattoos and piercings who you see out at some live venue every other night.

Likely to define themselves as "liberal", but only when said term falls within their definition. It's clear this demographic doesn't really understand liberalism at all.

Of course, what I wrote above was a mass generalization, and not everyone in Austin is like this, but enough are, and they get on my nerves.

Furthermore, Austin collectively thinks of itself as a big deal when really it has nothing to brag about -- a ill-equipped city infrastructure, horrible public transit, NO culture, no pro sports teams, and a very unremarkable downtown.

Austin reminds me of like that scene from "Sixth Sense"....."Ya'll are dead, you just don't know it".
As pretty as Austin is, this is a good description of Austin. That being said, I DO enjoy Austin, but the whole narrative of "I'm a 'liberal' and I hate Bush and I drink Starbucks and have a liberal arts degree, a Volvo/Volkwagen and an Apple laptop and go out to see the latest unknown indie band while drinking Pabst and eating sushi after hitting up the hiking/biking trails" can get old and predictable. There is most definitely provincialism there. It get's annoying when people talk about how "cosmopolitan" and "cultural" they are when they purposely moved to a city to find clones of themselves. The majority white population of Austin is similar to the majority Mex-Am population of San Antonio in the sense of its myopic view of themselves. When you tell both sets of people that there is a whole other world out there, they scoff at you.
Dallas (and Houston for that matter) is odd because the people are paradoxically more down to earth and more arrogant if that makes any sense. Both cities (especially Houston) are more known internationally, and that makes a huge difference.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: SXSW
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I don't care where you move. I think it is silly to move to any place where you don't have a job lined up. You haven't given us any information about yourself other than that you, presumably, are alive. Do you have a job? Do you want to work in the same industry. Do you have any needs other than "i don't like cold?" Are you educated? Do you have any marketable skills? Any Children that need a good school district to live in? Do you have any savings to help you pay rent while you look for a job? Do you have any special needs that we should take into consideration?
QFT. The rest of the post was awesome, but this was the best part. PLEASE DO NOT MOVE HERE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A JOB. DO NOT NOT NOT NOT MOVE HERE IF YOU ARE GOING TO DEPEND ON GOVERNMENT SERVICES....FOR ANYTHING!!
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