Dallas Design District taking off with 23-story apartment tower (Houston: university, stats)

[mm4]

Originally Posted by dv1033

It seemed to me mm4 is trying to suggest that the rail merely serves the outskirts of destination instead going through them. Of course, this goes with the fact of DART's less than stellar alignment so I was confused to why mm4 would say something negative about DART.

Cost/benefit. It still hits the centers of many.

We could compare with Houston, but Houston doesn't have anything beyond a single street line LRT stopped with red traffic lights. And DFW will extend commuter rail to Intercontinental and The Woodlands before Houston does.

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by cmacemm

haha yeah i just pick on you on purpose

[cmacemm]

Is your name in reference to the rapper or movie?

[codytravers]

Will Smith is my favorite person of all time. Mancrush.

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by cmacemm

Is your name in reference to the rapper or movie?

The best rapper alive.

[cmacemm]

I can get down with that

[dv1033]

Originally Posted by mm4

Cost/benefit. It still hits the centers of many.

Translation: DART did things the easy instead of the right way.

We could compare with Houston, but Houston doesn't have anything beyond a single street line LRT stopped with red traffic lights. And DFW will extend commuter rail to Intercontinental and The Woodlands before Houston does.

LOL. Keep on trying to bring Houston down in order prop up Dallas. It's amusing.

But you are right on one account, it's hard to compare Houston. Houston's one single ~7 mile line carries half the riders as DART currently does with 1/10 the track. Houston is building urban rail, DART built hybrid rail. Hard to compare.

[mm4]

Originally Posted by dv1033

LOL. Keep on trying to bring Houston down in order prop up Dallas. It's amusing.

Hmm. We're not on Houston's board ragging and digging.

Houston's one single ~7 mile line carries half the riders as DART currently does with 1/10 the track. Houston is building urban rail, DART built hybrid rail. Hard to compare.

According to the Houston Press:

"Ridership numbers for the rail have steadily declined since the rail line first opened to huge crowds. During the first year, about 10 million people got on board, but over the past four years, according to Metro documents, rail has averaged between 2 and 3 million people each year. Bus service has also seen a sharp decline in ridership."
Train Wreck - Page 4 - News - Houston - Houston Press

If you divide 365 into even the less conservative 3 million annual ridership figure reported there, the Main St. line avgs. only around 8219 riders per day.

But according to METRO's FY2010 Year End Financial & Management Report the annual ridership on the line was 10,627,331, which translates into an avg. 29115 riders per day.

(The ridership on any given Boston Green Line, of 4, today avgs. over 53000/day. And in FY 2008, DART avg'd. 26627/day per each of 2 lines it had open 2 years ago.)

I've purposely extrapolated avgs. per line, not totals aggregated over all lines. I did this to simplify an illustrative breakdown of avg. ridership per individual line in other systems as compared to the one extant line in Houston. (Boston has four actual individual 'Green Lines', not one. BTW, WHDH TV Boston, a source I didn't use, reports that Green Line ridership is 236,000 riders per day.)

The DART figure my per-line extrapolation is predicated upon is from FY 2008, officially; in two years hence even those two lines may or may not have gained some ridership. (The Green, the system's third, came on line in 2010 and is thus not represented in the FY 2008 inventory.)

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by mm4

Hmm. We're not on Houston's board ragging and digging.


According to the Houston Press:

"Ridership numbers for the rail have steadily declined since the rail line first opened to huge crowds. During the first year, about 10 million people got on board, but over the past four years, according to Metro documents, rail has averaged between 2 and 3 million people each year. Bus service has also seen a sharp decline in ridership."
Train Wreck - Page 4 - News - Houston - Houston Press

If you divide 365 into even the less conservative 3 million annual ridership figure reported there, the Main St. line avgs. only around 8219 riders per day.

But according to METRO's FY2010 Year End Financial & Management Report the annual ridership on the line was 10,627,331, which translates into an avg. 29115 riders per day.

(The ridership on any given Boston Green Line, of 4, today avgs. over 53000/day. And in FY 2008, DART avg'd. 26627/day per each of 2 lines it had open 2 years ago.)

I've purposely extrapolated avgs. per line, not totals aggregated over all lines. I did this to simplify an illustrative breakdown of avg. ridership per individual line in other systems as compared to the one extant line in Houston. (Boston has four actual individual 'Green Lines', not one. BTW, WHDH TV Boston, a source I didn't use, reports that Green Line ridership is 236,000 riders per day.)

The DART figure my per-line extrapolation is predicated upon is from FY 2008, officially; in two years hence even those two lines may or may not have gained some ridership. (The Green, the system's third, came on line in 2010 and is thus not represented in the FY 2008 inventory.)

The figure taken from Houston METRO's own publication is 10,627,331 Main St. riders for FY 2010. If you write something else suggests 12,629,000 then our numbers are at odds.

Instead of fooling around with this, why don't you just use this site: Ridership Report

[dv1033]

Originally Posted by mm4

Hmm. We're not on Houston's board ragging and digging.

Well if you would stick to reality and stop sputtering incorrect things people wouldn't have step in and correct you. Furthermore, I'm acknowledging both cities' strengths and weaknesses but you just being a Dallas homer.

According to the Houston Press:

"Ridership numbers for the rail have steadily declined since the rail line first opened to huge crowds. During the first year, about 10 million people got on board, but over the past four years, according to Metro documents, rail has averaged between 2 and 3 million people each year. Bus service has also seen a sharp decline in ridership."
Train Wreck - Page 4 - News - Houston - Houston Press

If you divide 365 into even the less conservative 3 million annual ridership figure reported there, the Main St. line avgs. only around 8219 riders per day.

But according to METRO's FY2010 Year End Financial & Management Report the annual ridership on the line was 10,627,331, which translates into an avg. 29115 riders per day.

(The ridership on any given Boston Green Line, of 4, today avgs. over 53000/day. And in FY 2008, DART avg'd. 26627/day per each of 2 lines it had open 2 years ago.)

I've purposely extrapolated avgs. per line, not totals aggregated over all lines. I did this to simplify an illustrative breakdown of avg. ridership per individual line in other systems as compared to the one extant line in Houston. (Boston has four actual individual 'Green Lines', not one. BTW, WHDH TV Boston, a source I didn't use, reports that Green Line ridership is 236,000 riders per day.)

The DART figure my per-line extrapolation is predicated upon is from FY 2008, officially; in two years hence even those two lines may or may not have gained some ridership. (The Green, the system's third, came on line in 2010 and is thus not represented in the FY 2008 inventory.)

Ok.... You forgot to mention how METRO's top leaders were essentially incompetent and crooked throughout this past decade. It was within the last year that we cleaned house.

Both DART and METRO has seen overall system declines in ridership and rail ridership between 2000-2010.

Looky, I can post a similar article about DART's declining ridership and revenue that was posted a month prior to yours:

DART ridership and revenue fall; complaints rise[Dallas Morning News]

So wake up realize that both systems are mediocre as they currently exist.