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anything within 635 is within Dallas inner core...
and sure there are some empty condos but there is enough demand to keep building
have fun with your boring ass strip malls in suburbia
So parts of Irving, Balch Springs, Mesquite that fall within 635's borders are considered "inner-core Dallas"? I've always considered Loop 12 to be Dallas's "core."
This is dumb. Inner-Dallas is teeming with chain restaurants and strip malls. And there is plenty of crime and seediness in the suburbs as well. Can't we all just get along, hold hands, and sing campfire songs?
Also don't forget underfunded and therefore bad police services, a socialistic system where 80% of the city is dirt poor and therefore dependent on the remaining 20%, bad and rough schools (not all, but most). Whoo hoo
No. I am well aware of DT. I am in real estate. My best friend lives down there. Nothing great about it at all.
Oh, so you sell tract housing. We should believe you? From a real estate perspective, Dallas neighborhoods are the ones that saw the most appreciation over the last 5 years. Dallas real estate is the most expensive real estate in the area. Meanwhile, the suburbs stagnate --at best -- if you look at things from a "real estate" perspective. You suburb types ignore the board in your eye, like the significant foreclosures, failed, empty subdivisions, office parks and strip malls, and point out that a condo has been for sale for a year in downtown Dallas?
I grew up in Highland Park. It doesn't get any ritizer than that. Now I live in Dallas' "inner core." Dallas is great and my house has seen significant appreciation in the last 5 years. The fear of crime coming from Collin County developers like you is significantly overblown. Dallas should sue for defamation. I'd rather be out in Dallas at midnight than any neighborhood in Arlington. I'd also rather send my kids to Woodrow Wilson over McKinney High School.
This fractured approach to growing our area will be the downfall of the entire region. Not everybody can be the alpha dog. Not every city can have a Fortune 500 company. There's no reason to bring down the city of Dallas. It will only hurt the region in the long run. I was raised that if you see something wrong, you fix it. So invest in the city that you think is so bad. A rising tide in Dallas lifts all boats in the region. People in Highland Park understand that. People in Plano tend to be nothing but corporate transients who constantly everybody that there is 100% you will be simultaneously raped, shot, and your house will be worth nothing if you step foot in Dallas. It's really absurd.
I've got more respect for a piece of used toilet paper than I do somebody in real estate that can't find the value in anything south of 635.
"Oh no! A house older than my car! It's icky. Let's move to Oklahoma!"
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dallas90120 would you consider Kimball, SOC and Lincoln rough schools? I just went to the basketball playoffs for Woodrow and we were in a double header with these schools. Everyone was friendly and respectful. I didn't even hear a cuss word. I talked to plenty of people in line, sitting in the seats, at the concession stands - I had a great time except that we lost - however we were ahead of the number 1 ranked team in the state for most of the game. We were ranked 7th and Lincoln ranked second. The best basketball in Texas is centered in Dallas!
Its just a different style of living. I would rather live in a suburb than Dallas itself, because I grew up in a suburb and I like that style of living.
The houses are cheaper in the burbs and living is a lot easier. Dallas is going through a phase where only Mexicans are really moving in. Everyone else is leaving.
Dont shoot the messenger for that last bit, that was proven in the last census.
Its just a different style of living. I would rather live in a suburb than Dallas itself, because I grew up in a suburb and I like that style of living.
The houses are cheaper in the burbs and living is a lot easier. Dallas is going through a phase where only Mexicans are really moving in. Everyone else is leaving.
Dont shoot the messenger for that last bit, that was proven in the last census.
It's not a different style of living at all. You moved to a suburb -- I'm assuming -- because you came from out of state and didn't take the time to learn the name of Dallas' suburban neighborhoods. Ninety percent of Dallas housing is single family homes -- just like the suburbs. When you're a transplant, I guess choosing "Frisco" is easier than "Lakewood." Websites like this don't help -- because they show the stats for a whole city -- not a Dallas neighborhood the size of Frisco.
The stats of the suburbs are a case of addition by subtraction. Dallas does have some poor areas in it. So the crime and poverty stats are skewed because they are concentrated in other parts of town. The new 'burbs don't have the really poor (yet) to bring down their stats. "Dallas" is treated like it's all the same neighborhood, even though the Dallas city limits are larger than Frisco, Plano, Allen, McKinney, Anna and Prosper put together and multiplied by two.
A few years ago we lost Boeing to Chicago. The CEO told us why, ironically, in Frisco. It was the fractured approach. He got requests from Plano, Arlington, Allen, McKinney and Dallas. Everybody wanted to be a General. Everybody thought they were the alpha dog. Boeing only wanted to look at Dallas. The company settled on Chicago because of the urban core. They wanted a city. This fractured approach hurts the entire region. It needs to stop. Places where suburbs rule have seen their economies tank.
The people of Collin County don't seem to want to help Dallas. Instead, they want to use our infrastructure, lie about the crime and --evidently -- even the real estate so that people buy the brand new house on the prairie. They're manufacturing throw away cities.
I wish people from CoCo would realize we're in this together. Collin County is like the neighbor that uses your lawn equipment, keeps it, and then lies to your other neighbor that you are too poor to afford a lawn mower yourself. They need to stop being such bad neighbors to Dallas. I'm sick of it.
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While the OP should have probably made his point in a bit more cogent of a fashion, I wholeheartedly agree. I tire of hearing about people wanting to move to "Dallas", when they really mean "Plano", "Garland", "Frisco", "McKinney", or some place similar. Suburbia, to me, is a sprawled-out mess of Stepford Wives-style neighborhoods, with a ton of hate, elitism, and overall foulness right below the surface. Heck, I can treat you to many a story of foul treatment and vitriol I get up here in Richardson when I mention where I'm from.
I hail from the Southside of Fort Worth, near Berry and Riverside--what many North Texans consider the heart of "the ghetto" in Fort Worth... and I can honestly say it is not what people make it out to be. Sure, it's a tad bit rough, but overall it's a good community atmosphere, and the culture is great too (fried chicken, anyone?). In fact, speaking of community, one time my great-aunt had a bad stroke and was taken to the hospital. At that time, she stayed across the street from where I lived, my grandmother's house. I was sleeping in my room at the time, and was awoken by a knock at the door. It was a couple of the neighbors, who told us that the door was left wide open at my great-aunt's house, with the lights on, since they had to rush her to the hospital. It had been like that for a matter of about four hours, in the dead of night. Considering that it was "the ghetto", the fact that nothing happened and the neighbor informed me rather than cleaning out the place often shocks some I talk to up here. My home neighborhood is grittier and rougher than where I live now, but it's not that bad a place. Certainly not how people make it out to be like.
Speaking from my experiences talking with Richardsonians (is that the correct demonym? "Richardsonites" maybe? ) a lot of the negative attitude from suburbanites towards inner cities comes from contempt for the poor more than anything else.
Inner cities, from what I have observed, tend to be a lot more diverse, have a lot more culture, and are generally more varied and exciting. Plus, it's more sustainable, from an environmental standpoint. Sprawl is a cyst on the rear end of modern human civilization. Also, older buildings have a LOT more character than these cookie cutter abominations I see in cities like Plano. If one wants to really experience Dallas, move to Dallas itself, for the love of Pete!
Hell, the only reason I'm in Richardson is because of college... once I graduate I am packing it all up and going to Oak Cliff, or perhaps... wait for it... Pleasant Grove! Oh Emm Gee! *thunder!* *lightning!*
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This is dumb. Inner-Dallas is teeming with chain restaurants and strip malls. And there is plenty of crime and seediness in the suburbs as well. Can't we all just get along, hold hands, and sing campfire songs?
Shhhh! Quiet! Don't tell them that crime happens a lot in suburbs too! It'll dissipate that cloud they are floating on!
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Originally Posted by hamiltonpl
Oh, so you sell tract housing. We should believe you? From a real estate perspective, Dallas neighborhoods are the ones that saw the most appreciation over the last 5 years. Dallas real estate is the most expensive real estate in the area. Meanwhile, the suburbs stagnate --at best -- if you look at things from a "real estate" perspective. You suburb types ignore the board in your eye, like the significant foreclosures, failed, empty subdivisions, office parks and strip malls, and point out that a condo has been for sale for a year in downtown Dallas?
I grew up in Highland Park. It doesn't get any ritizer than that. Now I live in Dallas' "inner core." Dallas is great and my house has seen significant appreciation in the last 5 years. The fear of crime coming from Collin County developers like you is significantly overblown. Dallas should sue for defamation. I'd rather be out in Dallas at midnight than any neighborhood in Arlington. I'd also rather send my kids to Woodrow Wilson over McKinney High School.
This fractured approach to growing our area will be the downfall of the entire region. Not everybody can be the alpha dog. Not every city can have a Fortune 500 company. There's no reason to bring down the city of Dallas. It will only hurt the region in the long run. I was raised that if you see something wrong, you fix it. So invest in the city that you think is so bad. A rising tide in Dallas lifts all boats in the region. People in Highland Park understand that. People in Plano tend to be nothing but corporate transients who constantly everybody that there is 100% you will be simultaneously raped, shot, and your house will be worth nothing if you step foot in Dallas. It's really absurd.
Ding! Ding! Ding! If people from the suburbs think the city is sooooo bad, then perhaps help to bring it up a tad bit rather than draining it more and making it worse? Just an idea.
dallas90120 would you consider Kimball, SOC and Lincoln rough schools? I just went to the basketball playoffs for Woodrow and we were in a double header with these schools. Everyone was friendly and respectful. I didn't even hear a cuss word. I talked to plenty of people in line, sitting in the seats, at the concession stands - I had a great time except that we lost - however we were ahead of the number 1 ranked team in the state for most of the game. We were ranked 7th and Lincoln ranked second. The best basketball in Texas is centered in Dallas!
Was your team, playing in the other teams', respective 'hoods?
Nothing wrong with the 'burbs...but I do believe, and I believe this to be solemnly true...that the 'burbs do take away a lot from Dallas' potential, because of the displacement of Corporations(and businesses in general) from the CBD.
anything within 635 is within Dallas inner core...
and sure there are some empty condos but there is enough demand to keep building
have fun with your boring ass strip malls in suburbia
Within 635? That's stretching it. Loop 12 is better, tbh. 635 isn't even a full loop.
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I've always considered Loop 12 to be Dallas's "core." 
) a lot of the negative attitude from suburbanites towards inner cities comes from contempt for the poor more than anything else.
