When will Sherman/Denison Be In DFW Metro? (Dallas, Plano: hotel, house)

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

My family has had a place at Lake Texoma for about 50 years. I remember stopping in Plano to get gas - the west side of Central only had a gas station and cotton fields.

When I was growing up, Plano was way "out there" and I had never even heard of places like Frisco, Allen, McKinney, etc. I only discovered those places existed relatively recently.

[TurtleCreek80]

Originally Posted by PlanoGirl

I remember driving through "the country" when going from Dallas to Richardson!

I remember seeing horses & wildflowers galore where the Blue Mesa/ Cheesecake/ Barnes & Noble/ Container Store is just south of NorthPark mall...and that was only 15-16 years ago!!

[TurtleCreek80]

Will the Metroplex ever extend that far north? No, I really don't think so. At some point, gas prices are going to sustain over $5/gallon and people are going to start either moving back into the city/inner ring suburbs because they simply can't afford $1,000 gas bills each month to live out in the sticks in a brand new home. Or we will see the southern half of the metroplex finally re-developed and populated. Allen and Waxahachie are about the same amount of miles from downtown Dallas, yet the I-35S corridor is barely developed once you're south of I-20. It will happen. Eventually.

[loves2read]

I can see Denton being more hub for its own developing area
just needs business to sustain it
the two universities are amping up as well with UNT wanting to achieve major status to compete with UT Austin and TAMU--stupid in my opinion--another state university is more to satisfy the ambitions of that college's president and board--
you can give a quality education without being a powerhouse in state politics

[fistofsouth]

Originally Posted by loves2read

I can see Denton being more hub for its own developing area
just needs business to sustain it
the two universities are amping up as well with UNT wanting to achieve major status to compete with UT Austin and TAMU--stupid in my opinion--another state university is more to satisfy the ambitions of that college's president and board--
you can give a quality education without being a powerhouse in state politics

That's true, you can give a quality education without being a political powerhouse, but it helps when it comes to breaking the rules and shutting out the competition. Just ask SMU. They give out a quality education and have for a long time and yet they have a black eye because of the entire football scandal from the eighties. I'm sure you remember; SMU received the death penalty and had their entire program dismantled, TAMU got a slap on the wrist for similar infractions and UT never even received a slap on the wrist. Both TMU and UT were guilty of the same violations and yet their programs have not been tinged with the stain of cheating, why? Political power pure and simple.

So if it is that bad when it comes to something like football what happens when TAMU, UT and UNT want to dig at the same Caddo Archeological site? What happens when all three are competing for a state or federal research grant? As it stands today UT will have first dibs, TAMU will have second and schools like UNT and Tech get to fight for the scraps.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by Darbro

I know the whole DFW region is rapidly expanding northward. Do you foresee the metroplex absorbing the Sherman/Dennison metro into the DFW CSA?

Wouldn't surprise me one bit & mark my words it will happen in our lifetimes, if not sooner (next 15-20 years).

D/FW's uninterrupted northward sprawl has already reached as far north as Prosper & Melissa.

They're gunning for the Red River folks! I often like to refer to North Texas as "Baja Oklahoma".

[Acntx]

Originally Posted by Darbro

I know the whole DFW region is rapidly expanding northward. Do you foresee the metroplex absorbing the Sherman/Dennison metro into the DFW CSA?

The Census Bureau already considers the Sherman-Denison Metropolitan Statistical Area part of the Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington Combined Statistical Area.

The following metropolitan/micropolitan statistical areas are components of the larger Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington Combined Statistical Area, according to the U.S. Census Bureau:

• Athens Micropolitan Statistical Area (Henderson County)
• Bonham Micropolitan Statistical Area (Fannin County)
• Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington Metropolitan Statistical Area (Collin, Dallas, Delta, Denton, Ellis, Hunt, Johnson, Kaufman, Parker, Rockwall, Tarrant, and Wise counties)
• Gainesville Micropolitan Statistical Area (Cooke County)
• Granbury Micropolitan Statistical Area (Hood and Somervell counties)
• Mineral Wells Micropolitan Statistical Area (Palo Pinto County)
• Sherman-Denison Metropolitan Statistical Area (Grayson County)

I believe that place of employment/commute plays a major role in this. The latest available census data on worker flow (from 2000) showed that 79% of Grayson County's residents worked in Grayson County, with only 14% working in one of the five core counties of the DFW MSA. Until you begin to see the development of major employment centers to connect both areas, I don't see the Sherman-Denison MSA losing its status as a separate metro in the near future.

Originally Posted by dallas90210

I am with Clarnence on this. I doubt the metroplex will ever go that far north for 50 years or more, if not 100 years or more. There is too much expansion opportunity on the east and south sides of Dallas (not to mention around Fort Worth and GP on "other sides") that will probably be developed to make "room" for future generations before we expand another 50-100 miles north of Frisco or McKinney. LOL

I agree.

There has been expansion to the east and south over the past decade. Here's a list of eastern/southern Dallas suburbs, sorted by 2010 Census population, and their growth rates:

..................2000........2010..(Growth Rate)
Garland........215,768.....226,876..(5.1%)
Mesquite.......124,523.....139,824..(12.3%)
Rowlett.........44,503......56,199..(26.3%)
DeSoto..........37,646......49,047..(30.3%)
Cedar.Hill......32,093......45,028..(40.3%)
Duncanville.....36,081......38,524..(6.8%)
Rockwall........17,976......37,490..(108.6%)
Lancaster.......25,894......36,361..(40.4%)
Waxahachie......21,426......29,621..(38.2%)
Balch.Springs...19,375......23,728..(22.5%)
Sachse...........9,751......20,329..(108.5%)
Midlothian.......7,480......18,037..(141.1%)
Terrell.........13,606......15,816..(16.2%)
Seagoville......10,823......14,835..(37.1%)
Forney...........5,588......14,661..(162.4%)
Glenn.Heights....7,224......11,278..(56.1%)
Red.Oak..........4,301......10,769..(150.4%)
Royse.City.......2,957.......9,349..(216.2%)
Heath............4,149.......6,921..(66.8%)
Fate...............497.......6,357..(1,179.1%)
Hutchins.........2,805.......5,338..(90.3%)
Sunnyvale........2,693.......5,130..(90.5%)

Southern Suburbs of Fort Worth
..................2000........2010..(Growth Rate)
Mansfield.......28,031......56,368..(101.1%)
Burleson........20,976......36,690..(74.9%)
Cleburne........26,005......29,337..(12.8%)
Crowley..........7,467......12,838..(71.9%)
Keene............5,003.......6,106..(22.0%)
Joshua...........4,528.......5,910..(30.5%)

[Darbro]

Originally Posted by Acntx

The Census Bureau already considers the Sherman-Denison Metropolitan Statistical Area part of the Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington Combined Statistical Area.

The following metropolitan/micropolitan statistical areas are components of the larger Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington Combined Statistical Area, according to the U.S. Census Bureau:

• Athens Micropolitan Statistical Area (Henderson County)
• Bonham Micropolitan Statistical Area (Fannin County)
• Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington Metropolitan Statistical Area (Collin, Dallas, Delta, Denton, Ellis, Hunt, Johnson, Kaufman, Parker, Rockwall, Tarrant, and Wise counties)
• Gainesville Micropolitan Statistical Area (Cooke County)
• Granbury Micropolitan Statistical Area (Hood and Somervell counties)
• Mineral Wells Micropolitan Statistical Area (Palo Pinto County)
• Sherman-Denison Metropolitan Statistical Area (Grayson County)

I believe that place of employment/commute plays a major role in this. The latest available census data on worker flow (from 2000) showed that 79% of Grayson County's residents worked in Grayson County, with only 14% working in one of the five core counties of the DFW MSA. Until you begin to see the development of major employment centers to connect both areas, I don't see the Sherman-Denison MSA losing its status as a separate metro in the near future.



I agree.

There has been expansion to the east and south over the past decade. Here's a list of eastern/southern Dallas suburbs, sorted by 2010 Census population, and their growth rates:

..................2000........2010..(Growth Rate)
Garland........215,768.....226,876..(5.1%)
Mesquite.......124,523.....139,824..(12.3%)
Rowlett.........44,503......56,199..(26.3%)
DeSoto..........37,646......49,047..(30.3%)
Cedar.Hill......32,093......45,028..(40.3%)
Duncanville.....36,081......38,524..(6.8%)
Rockwall........17,976......37,490..(108.6%)
Lancaster.......25,894......36,361..(40.4%)
Waxahachie......21,426......29,621..(38.2%)
Balch.Springs...19,375......23,728..(22.5%)
Sachse...........9,751......20,329..(108.5%)
Midlothian.......7,480......18,037..(141.1%)
Terrell.........13,606......15,816..(16.2%)
Seagoville......10,823......14,835..(37.1%)
Forney...........5,588......14,661..(162.4%)
Glenn.Heights....7,224......11,278..(56.1%)
Red.Oak..........4,301......10,769..(150.4%)
Royse.City.......2,957.......9,349..(216.2%)
Heath............4,149.......6,921..(66.8%)
Fate...............497.......6,357..(1,179.1%)
Hutchins.........2,805.......5,338..(90.3%)
Sunnyvale........2,693.......5,130..(90.5%)

Southern Suburbs of Fort Worth
..................2000........2010..(Growth Rate)
Mansfield.......28,031......56,368..(101.1%)
Burleson........20,976......36,690..(74.9%)
Cleburne........26,005......29,337..(12.8%)
Crowley..........7,467......12,838..(71.9%)
Keene............5,003.......6,106..(22.0%)
Joshua...........4,528.......5,910..(30.5%)

Thanks for the info! As fast as the growth has been there's no telling what the area will look like by 2035-2040.

[Darbro]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

Wouldn't surprise me one bit & mark my words it will happen in our lifetimes, if not sooner (next 15-20 years).

D/FW's uninterrupted northward sprawl has already reached as far north as Prosper & Melissa.

They're gunning for the Red River folks! I often like to refer to North Texas as "Baja Oklahoma".

LOL! With all the growth occuring and forecast for the future, they'll have to rename the area the North Texas Mega Region.

[Dark Serge]

Originally Posted by Darbro

LOL! With all the growth occuring and forecast for the future, they'll have to rename the area the North Texas Mega Region.

The Dallas Megalopolis?

On a more serious note, however... while the region has become sprawled out enough to make all those areas interconnected, I doubt that DFW will ever "swallow up" Sherman-Denison. The upcoming resource/energy crisis will put an abrupt halt to the sprawl machine before that happens.