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Old 06-28-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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The CBD needs fewer parking lots and more people. DTFW has less competition -- for sure. But Dallas' CBD should still be more active than it is. Of all the big cities I've been to, Dallas' downtown is the deadest. The West End should be hopping every day and night. It's got the streetscape, retail, residential and commercial. But it's still dead.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:20 PM
 
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More projects like this:You Know That Empty Lot in Front of Downtown Farmers Market? Town Homes! - Dallas News - Unfair Park replacing parking lots will bring the different sections of Downtown Dallas together.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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Because sadly, people believe a city's most lively, bustling, and vibrant area should be at it's core. This mentality is alive and well in every city as they try to fix their downtowns as well (Los Angeles, Atlanta, even Chicago is still trying to fix up it's downtown, Center City Philadelphia, Baltimore and it's harbor, and even Houston).
Ok, but Dallas' core isn't what it was in the early to mid 20th century when it was developed. The core has shifted about 1/4 mile- yes, we're squabbling about 1,320 STEPS- north into uptown. The city of Dallas covers nearly 400 square miles....can you just not be ok with the fact that the center of activity has shifted 1/4 mile north across Woodall Rogers? Uptown is where all of the most recent office & residential towers have been built. It's where the streets are lined with sidewalk cafes and patios. It's got art galleries, parks, theatres, shops, etc.

Atlanta and Los Angeles may be throwing money at their downtown development, but you're kidding yourself if you think those downtowns harbour the same vibrant downtown life that old cities like Chicago, NYC, and Philly have.

If people in DFW truly believed the vibrant city life was downtown, there wouldnt be all the "urban" developments popping up in Plano, Southlake, Allen, Las Colinas, Cedar Hill, etc.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:41 PM
 
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Downtown Dallas has the potential to be better than DTFW because it's larger and they have more vibrant neighborhoods surrounding it.



I think the decline in deep ellum happened well before the rail. I've already read that Deep Ellum is picking up momentum albeit slowly.
Deep Ellum has been on the upswing for the past few years. It's becoming much more of a mixed-use neighborhood instead of solely a nightclub district (there's the Deep Ellum Market, new neighborhood "pubs", the artwork/mural program, etc). I don't know if this is the result of DART's arrival, but the Deep Ellum and Baylor stations are some of the Green Line stations exceeding ridership expectation.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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Ok, but Dallas' core isn't what it was in the early to mid 20th century when it was developed. The core has shifted about 1/4 mile- yes, we're squabbling about 1,320 STEPS- north into uptown. The city of Dallas covers nearly 400 square miles....can you just not be ok with the fact that the center of activity has shifted 1/4 mile north across Woodall Rogers? Uptown is where all of the most recent office & residential towers have been built. It's where the streets are lined with sidewalk cafes and patios. It's got art galleries, parks, theatres, shops, etc.

Atlanta and Los Angeles may be throwing money at their downtown development, but you're kidding yourself if you think those downtowns harbour the same vibrant downtown life that old cities like Chicago, NYC, and Philly have.

If people in DFW truly believed the vibrant city life was downtown, there wouldnt be all the "urban" developments popping up in Plano, Southlake, Allen, Las Colinas, Cedar Hill, etc.
You misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying LA or Atlanta have the vibrancy of Chicago, Philly, and especially NY. It's just that those cities cores plus most cities around the world are used as examples of where most of the vibrant activity, bustling commerce, etc. of a major city should be. Like I said, I have no problem with it. But psychologically, if the area is going to be called downtown, that's going to be the place where most tourists and travelers are going to use as a gauge for the area somewhat. It's unfortunate for Dallas and most sunbelt cities. But it is what it is.

Cities knows that as well. That's why they are trying to redevelop their downtown areas. You name a major city in this nation and all of them are trying to redevelop or further the development of their downtown. The city of LA is also over 400 sq miles and they also have different areas around the city that has tons of activity. But they also worked very hard to bring the activity back to it's core. Dallas is doing the same.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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Deep Ellum has been on the upswing for the past few years. It's becoming much more of a mixed-use neighborhood instead of solely a nightclub district (there's the Deep Ellum Market, new neighborhood "pubs", the artwork/mural program, etc). I don't know if this is the result of DART's arrival, but the Deep Ellum and Baylor stations are some of the Green Line stations exceeding ridership expectation.
Yeah I thought so. Everything I've read about Deep Ellum is that it is seeing a resurgence and is becoming more popular.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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The problem that DT Dallas faces is best exemplified by the fact that ESPN chose to have their SB headquarters in DT FW. In other words Dallas has as it's primary municipal competiter another city which is literally in the same region where it's located. That's a tremendous handicap to over come.
It's sort of like having 2 large airports next to each other where neither can realize critical mass because they keep stealing business/flights from each other. And of course that's why the 2 cities had and still have the "Wright" amendment. But unfortuantely there's no Wright Amendment for downtown Dallas when it competes for convention business and other similar activities with it's nearby sister city.
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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Yes Deep Ellum is indeed building momentum - I'm looking forward to this opening:

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Old 06-28-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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yes deep ellum is indeed building momentum - i'm looking forward to this opening:
lol :d
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Old 06-28-2011, 02:19 PM
 
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The problem that DT Dallas faces is best exemplified by the fact that ESPN chose to have their SB headquarters in DT FW. In other words Dallas has as it's primary municipal competiter another city which is literally in the same region where it's located. That's a tremendous handicap to over come.
It's sort of like having 2 large airports next to each other where neither can realize critical mass because they keep stealing business/flights from each other. And of course that's why the 2 cities had and still have the "Wright" amendment. But unfortuantely there's no Wright Amendment for downtown Dallas when it competes for convention business and other similar activities with it's nearby sister city.
not really. downtown fort worth was selected by espn only because the city started aggressively recruiting espn in 2010. espn brass said themselves that they'd never been courted like that by any city for any big event.

the supposed handicap of FW being nearby is a convenient excuse. baltimore and philadelphia do quite well in terms of drawing visitors and they are in the heart of a megalopolis of 5-6 mid-large cities.
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