Texas finally executed a foreign National (Howe: crimes, to live, legal)

[skids929]

Originally Posted by txgolfer130

All that has been done is to endanger American citizens abroad and not have a leg to stand on at our consulates.

Really sucks for those of us who travel internationally. Just one more thing to be wary of, b/c someone has political aspirations.

You know I have nothing but love for you, but this mentality is bunk..We need not make ANY apologies or changes to our way of life out of fear from low life bottom feeding scum of the earth retaliating.

You can't negotiate and argue with idiots like Obama would have you believe. Some people/leaders in the world just need to be taken out. Plain and simple. Society is a better place with out this guy, be better without Kim Jong Il, is better without Saddam, Osama, (and most of the other leaders in the middle east) and Whitey..The list goes on.

[txgolfer130]

Originally Posted by momof2dfw

The difference in that is we are visitors in those countries and just passing thru. This guy had been living here since he was a toddler. Went to school here. Worked here. He was a part of the society of this country. I bet if he was attacked he would want our police and our political justice system to be fair and prosecute the person that committed a crime against him and/or his family.

He took the life of an innocent person. She did not get a fair trial to try and save her life. He took it from her, brutally.

The difference is NOW, we can't claim rule of law. Time spent here means nothing, he could have been passing through, he could have been 80 years old. The "State" chose not to avail him of a signed treaty right.

The evidence against him was overwhelming, he was not going to get away. But by not letting the consulate "defend" him or advise him, not only did we break a treaty obligation, we've set the standard for how American citizens can be prosecuted and charged in other countries. Whether passing through, or living there for 30 years. The idea of treaties and base legal protections for our citizens while overseas now has swiss-cheese holes in it, that even more than ever U.S. citizens must be more on guard than ever before.

[txgolfer130]

Originally Posted by TexasVines

the stupidity of this statement is boundless

you really somehow believe that al queso or any other muslim extremest group, the zetas in Mexico or any other of their violent drug cartels, the chavistas in Venezuela or any other American hating terrorist group the world over are all suddenly going to stop targeting Americans abroad or think twice about harming them because obongos got some "Mexican" that had lived in the USA since the age of two off of death row after he raped, murdered, and mutilated some little girl

one would have to be dumber than a stump to believe that especially since the great talker in chief has failed with that very same plan the world over and he has also "fanned the flames" by starting yet another war in the middle east

or are you one of those dolts that thinks obongos is dropping bombs of peace and love in the middle east and bringing terrorist closer to loving us VS George Bush and the evil bombs of hate that he dropped everywhere

oh yea and corrupt government officials that have been targeting Americans abroad for shakedowns for decades in spite the the massive amounts of foreign aid we give their AIDS filled hell holes.....yea they would suddenly stop shaking Americans down and start living on sawdust bread if obongos had saved the life of a murdering child killing rapist freak "Mexican" that had lived in the USA ILLEGALLY since the age of two

how can someone that would possibly believe something so ignorant and stupid actually use a computer......how in the hell do they get through life.....it boggles the mind

Settle down Francis you're radio head talking points are leading you in circles.

First, we're not talking about Al-Quida or Zetas or any other gang. We're talking about formal, recognized COUNTRIES with which we are party with to an INTERNATIONAL TREATY. That is the point genius. If you can't understand that, then maybe you should leave the discussion to the adults.

Second, NO ONE...was thinking of taking that scumbag off of death row. Your circle jerk radio chatter has you spouting things that aren't true.

And if I were you, I wouldn't be attempting to "fan the flames" w/ the "needlessly starting a war in the middle east" diatribe. You'll only going to look even more foolish than you do now.

And we're not talking corrupt officials Einstein, we're talking how we're handled by governments and their prosecutorial discretion that we've now given them simply through our actions. Your myopic diatribes only see one point of view through your sheet on the back of the stump.

Your opinions on someone else's IQ is laughable. Your world view mockable, and clearly part of the reason why OTHERS have to take guard outside of the United States. And your whole line of reasoning, plain ol' full of Bull Sh*t.

[txgolfer130]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Blaming Perry for this turd not being told about his MX Consulate privileges is a huge reach.

Um, not even close, when Perry could have delayed the execution for 30 days. Allowed the MEX consulate to advise him, file and expedited appeal on the three points of contention and have them heard by the Tx Supreme court.

Even if there would have been a stay granted by the TX SC, the scum bag would have lived 6-9 months more while competent council was found, then he would have been sentenced to death due to the overwhelming evidence the State of Texas had against him.

So, saying Perry had no part in it....not even close.

[busterkeaton]

Originally Posted by txgolfer130

Settle down Francis you're radio head talking points are leading you in circles.

First, we're not talking about Al-Quida or Zetas or any other gang. We're talking about formal, recognized COUNTRIES with which we are party with to an INTERNATIONAL TREATY. That is the point genius. If you can't understand that, then maybe you should leave the discussion to the adults.

Second, NO ONE...was thinking of taking that scumbag off of death row. Your circle jerk radio chatter has you spouting things that aren't true.

And if I were you, I wouldn't be attempting to "fan the flames" w/ the "needlessly starting a war in the middle east" diatribe. You'll only going to look even more foolish than you do now.

And we're not talking corrupt officials Einstein, we're talking how we're handled by governments and their prosecutorial discretion that we've now given them simply through our actions. Your myopic diatribes only see one point of view through your sheet on the back of the stump.

Your opinions on someone else's IQ is laughable. Your world view mockable, and clearly part of the reason why OTHERS have to take guard outside of the United States. And your whole line of reasoning, plain ol' full of Bull Sh*t.

Yeah, that poster loses a lot of their credibility when using that tone in their rebuttal. On to the topic at hand...I believe, we should and were supposed, to give the man the ability to, speak and consult, with his respective countries consulate. The laws that we have in place, internationally and domestically, are there for all our protection...even when the one being protected is the devil himself.

[txgolfer130]

Originally Posted by jbiggs

Answers in blue italics above.

You need to learn not to be a sheep and believe everything you read and hear! Executing this scumbag won't change a thing overseas and even here!

You obviously have no clue on the case facts. The whole dust up is BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ADVISED ON HIS RIGHTS TO SEEK CONSULAR LEGAL ADVICE. Plain and simple for you. If you don't know the facts, you should really keep the B.S. to yourself.

Clearly you have never traveled overseas and don't know how "clear and fair trials" are conducted in other countries. See the Amanda Knox trial for evidence and "fair" trial just for an example.

International treaties are what keep American's from being locked up willy-nilly in the first place. Countries abide by them, for the simple reason that they want their citizens availed of the same or similar protections that they would receive if they were in their own country as well. That is the entire point. If they get convicted, they will at least have had protections/advice/representation from a competent and best representation from their own government.

THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT.

[busterkeaton]

Originally Posted by txgolfer130

Um, not even close, when Perry could have delayed the execution for 30 days. Allowed the MEX consulate to advise him, file and expedited appeal on the three points of contention and have them heard by the Tx Supreme court.

Even if there would have been a stay granted by the TX SC, the scum bag would have lived 6-9 months more while competent council was found, then he would have been sentenced to death due to the overwhelming evidence the State of Texas had against him.

So, saying Perry had no part in it....not even close.

I don't understand this, either. Why not let him consult the Mexican consulate? Why the hurry now after 17 years? Why not let it go the better, more diplomatic avenue? It seems like Perry, as did Bush, doesn't like to use diplomacy and always wants to go in guns ablazing...and in this new global world, that just doesn't work.

[txgolfer130]

Originally Posted by skids929

You know I have nothing but love for you, but this mentality is bunk..We need not make ANY apologies or changes to our way of life out of fear from low life bottom feeding scum of the earth retaliating.

You can't negotiate and argue with idiots like Obama would have you believe. Some people/leaders in the world just need to be taken out. Plain and simple. Society is a better place with out this guy, be better without Kim Jong Il, is better without Saddam, Osama, (and most of the other leaders in the middle east) and Whitey..The list goes on.

Thanks for the love, but you're unequivocally wrong and misguided on this point. We're not having to make any apologies or change our way of life. All were doing is living up to the rule of law we insist other countries do, and any other point is fear talking. All we're asking is that they honor treaties they sign w/ us. Are we to then turn around and proclaim that the treaty on works on direction? Are we to then expect other countries to honor their obligations and expectations we have w/ them if we dismiss and ignore the same?

We're also not talking about negotiating with people like UBL, Saddam, and KJ-Il. We're talking only about countries with which we have signed treaties for the past 40+ years. We're talking about countries like Mexico, Italy, Great Britain, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey...and that list goes on. There are 111 countries, that we as U.S. citizens can go to and claim a Civis Americanus sum mentality and expect to at least have advise and some legal representation in those countries if we are being accused of a crime.

Without that we are back to the early 20th century and everyone is a free target.

[txgolfer130]

Originally Posted by busterkeaton

Yeah, that poster loses a lot of their credibility when using that tone in their rebuttal. On to the topic at hand...I believe, we should and were supposed, to give the man the ability to, speak and consult, with his respective countries consulate. The laws that we have in place, internationally and domestically, are there for all our protection...even when the one being protected is the devil himself.

Yes, agree. Our rule of law is what makes us the beacon of democracy and freedom. It's what makes us Americans.

[stan4]

Originally Posted by txgolfer130

Have no problem w/ justice being carried out. Just wish Mr. Good hair would have allowed Mexico to represent him in our justice system before being sentenced.

All that has been done is to endanger American citizens abroad and not have a leg to stand on at our consulates.

Really sucks for those of us who travel internationally. Just one more thing to be wary of, b/c someone has political aspirations.

Well, just don't rape and murder someone on foreign soil...that should do the trick.