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There's no way in hell we believe someone passed up a chance at Yale for SMU
Not that I agree with SMUboy, but I passed up two Ivies to go to UT, Austin. My major was not crowded at the upper level, it was a much better deal financially, the professors were more approachable, the campuses cleaner, and it was much closer to home. The snobbishness of the eastern elite was another reason.
As for private schools, the number of national merit finalists as a percentage of the student body at St Marks year over year is quite impressive. The only other school that comes close is Hunter College High for Girls in NYC.
What is troubling is that if the sisters of St Marks boys go to Hockaday, and intelligence is closely linked to genetics and family, then why do we not see the same national merit distribution at Hockaday?
As for MIT not accepting more than X from a school - that is not true. Lynbrook HS in San Jose and Thomas Jefferson in VA regularly send 10-20 kids to MIT every year.
Here is Thomas Jefferson' list.
http://www.tjhsst.edu/curriculum/dss...ofile_2011.pdf
24 to Princeton and 23 to MIT.
08-17-2011, 11:12 AM
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Not that I agree with SMUboy, but I passed up two Ivies to go to UT, Austin. My major was not crowded at the upper level, it was a much better deal financially, the professors were more approachable, the campuses cleaner, and it was much closer to home. The snobbishness of the eastern elite was another reason.
As for private schools, the number of national merit finalists as a percentage of the student body at St Marks year over year is quite impressive. The only other school that comes close is Hunter College High for Girls in NYC.
What is troubling is that if the sisters of St Marks boys go to Hockaday, and intelligence is closely linked to genetics and family, then why do we not see the same national merit distribution at Hockaday?
As for MIT not accepting more than X from a school - that is not true. Lynbrook HS in San Jose and Thomas Jefferson in VA regularly send 10-20 kids to MIT every year.
Here is Thomas Jefferson' list
http://www.tjhsst.edu/curriculum/dss...ofile_2011.pdf
24 to Princeton and 23 to MIT.
Lots of top kids pick UT (particularly PlanII, Bus Honors, or Engineering) over East Coast schools. SMU isn't quite in that echelon....
Look at the list I posted from ESD, Greenhill, St Marks- usually 1 or more of the top 10 grads are going to UT. They aren't going to SMU.
08-17-2011, 11:37 AM
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Plano Senior's Val or Sal last year picked UTD (!) over MIT. I suspect the 100+% free ride for National Merit Finalists was a big factor, but I believe he was also already hooked up with a research professor at UTD.
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Not lending our unsympathetic SMU poster any creedence, but I turned down a scholarship at Columbia for SMU. I graduated from a public high school, and I was in the top twenty of 275.
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Not lending our unsympathetic SMU poster any creedence, but I turned down a scholarship at Columbia for SMU. I graduated from a public high school, and I was in the top twenty of 275.
One flaw in your story- Ivies don't give any undergrad scholarships (academics or athletics), just need-based financial aid.
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One flaw in your story- Ivies don't give any undergrad scholarships (academics or athletics), just need-based financial aid.
That's not precisely accurate. Lots of schools, like Notre Dame, that don't offer merit based scholarships do have, I'm not sure what the proper term is, "private placement" scholarships maybe? Donors effectively pay for a kids to go in lieu of school sponsored academic scholarships.
I know this for a fact because my son was offered one to ND.
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One flaw in your story- Ivies don't give any undergrad scholarships (academics or athletics), just need-based financial aid.
It's not a story - did you think I made it up? This how Parkies get a bad reputation!. It was a long time ago but the amount was $6,000 per semester. Maybe it was financial aid... I am thinking SMU tuition was about $7500 at the time...
As my father (b. 1921) was the first in his family to go to college since the civil war (they were Texas pioneers after they lost everything), I was not really that familiar with the process, so I didn't really consider it that much. It sort of came out of the blue, I think from my ACT performance.
Twelve people in my class went to SMU so I was eager to go there..back in those days you just had to submit a transcript and write an essay!
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08-17-2011, 05:34 PM
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That's not precisely accurate. Lots of schools, like Notre Dame, that don't offer merit based scholarships do have, I'm not sure what the proper term is, "private placement" scholarships maybe? Donors effectively pay for a kids to go in lieu of school sponsored academic scholarships.
Notre Dame is not in the Ivy Leage. Straight from UPenn's website and clear as day (in bolded highlighted type),
Like the other Ivy League schools, Penn does not award scholarships based on academic or athletic merit. All aid is based solely on financial need
Here is from Columbia's website:
Does Columbia offer merit scholarships?
No. There are no academic, athletic or talent-based institutional scholarships. University grants are offered on the basis of demonstrated financial need. However, our students are often the recipients of merit-based scholarships from outside organizations (state grants/scholarships, local/national merit-based awards, etc.)
Does Columbia offer scholarships and if so, how many?
Columbia College and the undergraduate division of The Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science provide
need-based financial aid to students on the basis of their family's financial circumstances. There is no limit on the number of students who receive need-based financial aid. Each application is considered individually
Even the "private" scholarships you mentioned at ND are ENTIRELY need based at Ivy schools:
University Named Scholarships These scholarships are provided through direct gifts to the University and privately endowed funds established by alumni and friends. Named scholarships enable Penn to continue its two-fold commitment to admit students solely on the basis of academic merit, and to meet 100% of a student's financial need. All scholarships are need-based, so students must complete the financial aid process. Student Financial Services selects recipients based on the scholarship's criteria; no separate application is necessary.
Whereas Notre Dame's website says that all students admitted are considered worthy of scholarships based on ACADEMIC and other credentials. It also does offer a merit-based scholarship program for EA appliacants.
[SIZE=3]Does the University of Notre Dame offer academic merit-scholarships that are not based upon financial need? [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]The majority of financial aid at Notre Dame is administered and awarded based upon financial need as demonstrated through the CSS/Financial Aid PROFILE and the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA). All students admitted through the University's very selective admissions process are considered worthy of scholarship consideration on the basis of their outstanding academic and personal credentials. A thorough and consistent review of each applicant is conducted by the Financial Aid Office [/SIZE] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]each year [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][SIZE=3]in order to determine a student's financial aid eligibility, including scholarship eligibility. [/SIZE]The Hesburgh-Yusko Scholars Program is a merit-based scholarship and enrichment program at the University of Notre Dame. The program is highly competitive. Students who wish to be considered for this program must apply through the Early Action admission program [/SIZE][/SIZE] [/SIZE]
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It's not a story - did you think I made it up? This how Parkies get a bad reputation!. It was a long time ago but the amount was $6,000 per semester. Maybe it was financial aid... I am thinking SMU tuition was about $7500 at the time...
I don't know how old you are Lakewooder, but the Ivies have not been awarding merit schoarships since at least 1945!!
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People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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