Oh, how the CoCo haters will be tortured... (Houston, Dallas: crime, neighborhoods)

[Pooua]

Originally Posted by Eric Fred Norris

why would anyone care one way or another?

It depends on what you want from an area. If you want to see job growth, new businesses, increasing tax base, new services, dynamic management and new homes, then a fast growing city might interest you.

I found the changes to Frisco exciting, and I'm glad I was able to document some of them as they happened. Generally, I morn the loss of the past, though.

[xS☺B☺s]

Originally Posted by txgolfer130

America's fastest-growing cities - MSN Real Estate

I'm sure the Collin County haters will be up in arms...again. #1 & #2 for fastest growing cities.

What? We're supposed to be upset that countless thousands of morons want to spend large portions of their lives in 4 wheel cells in the Central and Tollway torture chambers so they can spend the larger portion of their lives in vapid national chain McMansion neighborhoods void of trees lakes parks culture or history?

We're not upset at all. Enjoy your McMansion and your backyard. We'll keep the lake, downtown, Uptown, Deep Ellum, Fair Park, the Park Cities, and our short drives to everything.

Everything except Coco that is. But then, what's up there?

[ClarenceBodiker]

Suburban growth doesn't bother me in the least. It happens everywhere. It's normal. It's how fast and large these suburbs are growing that I don't like. I don't see why every new suburb needs to grow to 200,000 people in 10-20 years. I don't like that there's no countryside left at all between towns and you can't tell when you leave one suburb and have entered the next. Suburbanites constantly say they hate how crowded Dallas is, and yet they become total cheerleaders every time they read their town has grown 700% in a year. Many suburbs have become as crowded on the roads, if not more, than Dallas.

Collin County can get as big as it wants. No suburb in Collin will ever replace Dallas as "the city," and I think both sides are ok with that. What scares me is 20 years from now when we're having the same conversations with Grayson, Hunt, and/or Cook Counties. At what point does it stop?

Also, would it kill a major employer to move to a south Dallas burb? If we're going to sprawl anyway, can we at least try to balance things out and start moving away from Oklahoma?

[MckinneyOwnr]

Originally Posted by xS☺Be

What? We're supposed to be upset that countless thousands Moderator cut: rude want to spend large portions of their lives in 4 wheel cells in the Central and Tollway torture chambers so they can spend the larger portion of their lives in vapid national chain McMansion neighborhoods void of trees lakes parks culture or history?

We're not upset at all. Enjoy your McMansion and your backyard. We'll keep the lake, downtown, Uptown, Deep Ellum, Fair Park, the Park Cities, and our short drives to everything.

Everything except Coco that is. But then, what's up there?

This blind hatred of Collin County pretty much shoots any credibility you may have had to bits.

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by ClarenceBodiker

Suburban growth doesn't bother me in the least. It happens everywhere. It's normal. It's how fast and large these suburbs are growing that I don't like. I don't see why every new suburb needs to grow to 200,000 people in 10-20 years. I don't like that there's no countryside left at all between towns and you can't tell when you leave one suburb and have entered the next. Suburbanites constantly say they hate how crowded Dallas is, and yet they become total cheerleaders every time they read their town has grown 700% in a year. Many suburbs have become as crowded on the roads, if not more, than Dallas.

Collin County can get as big as it wants. No suburb in Collin will ever replace Dallas as "the city," and I think both sides are ok with that. What scares me is 20 years from now when we're having the same conversations with Grayson, Hunt, and/or Cook Counties. At what point does it stop?

Also, would it kill a major employer to move to a south Dallas burb? If we're going to sprawl anyway, can we at least try to balance things out and start moving away from Oklahoma?

With the terrain if the southern part of the Dallas metro, you would think people would want to live in the bigger hills and trees than the slightly rolling treeless prairie.

[Pooua]

Originally Posted by ClarenceBodiker

Also, would it kill a major employer to move to a south Dallas burb? If we're going to sprawl anyway, can we at least try to balance things out and start moving away from Oklahoma?

I guess you haven't heard (or, aren't impressed by) Dallas' "Seeds of Change" program?

The "Dallas Observer" quotes a City official as saying,

"The Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge is not only a new icon for North Texas and points beyond, but it is a beacon of hope for southern Dallas. The bridge is sending a signal to many developers that points south of the city are ripe for change and prosperity."

City Says It Hasn't Turned Its Back on Southern Dallas. And Now It Has the Website to Prove It. - Dallas News - Unfair Park

It appears to me that crime rate is the 900 lb gorilla in the room that everyone is trying to ignore.

[Pooua]

Originally Posted by xS☺Be

What? We're supposed to be upset that countless thousands of morons want to spend large portions of their lives in 4 wheel cells in the Central and Tollway torture chambers so they can spend the larger portion of their lives in vapid national chain McMansion neighborhoods void of trees lakes parks culture or history?

We're not upset at all. Enjoy your McMansion and your backyard. We'll keep the lake, downtown, Uptown, Deep Ellum, Fair Park, the Park Cities, and our short drives to everything.

Everything except Coco that is. But then, what's up there?

I hate to admit it, but you make some good points (though, you could consider what it would be like if everyone in CoCo lived in Dallas... I think you would go coocoo!), but I disagree with your characterization of CoCo culture. We do have parks, trees and history up here. Perhaps it would not be of such interest to you as it is to me, but I am far more fascinated by finding the only known surviving stone dam from the steam engine era than by any restaurant in Dallas. The first train robbery in Texas allegedly took place in Allen. We have several accounts of interaction between White settlers and Native Americans. Instead of going to a museum, I can go to the creek bank and uncover ancient fossils. And, I can go skinny dipping in the creek, because the alligators that are in the Trinity River don't usually come this far North (I did have an exciting incident up here that still makes me wonder what I really met).

[Acntx]

Originally Posted by ClarenceBodiker

Suburban growth doesn't bother me in the least. It happens everywhere. It's normal. It's how fast and large these suburbs are growing that I don't like. I don't see why every new suburb needs to grow to 200,000 people in 10-20 years. I don't like that there's no countryside left at all between towns and you can't tell when you leave one suburb and have entered the next. Suburbanites constantly say they hate how crowded Dallas is, and yet they become total cheerleaders every time they read their town has grown 700% in a year. Many suburbs have become as crowded on the roads, if not more, than Dallas.

Collin County can get as big as it wants. No suburb in Collin will ever replace Dallas as "the city," and I think both sides are ok with that. What scares me is 20 years from now when we're having the same conversations with Grayson, Hunt, and/or Cook Counties. At what point does it stop?

Also, would it kill a major employer to move to a south Dallas burb? If we're going to sprawl anyway, can we at least try to balance things out and start moving away from Oklahoma?

I couldn't rep you for this post (got the 'spread it around' message), but great comment nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Pooua

I guess you haven't heard (or, aren't impressed by) Dallas' "Seeds of Change" program?

The "Dallas Observer" quotes a City official as saying,

"The Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge is not only a new icon for North Texas and points beyond, but it is a beacon of hope for southern Dallas. The bridge is sending a signal to many developers that points south of the city are ripe for change and prosperity."

City Says It Hasn't Turned Its Back on Southern Dallas. And Now It Has the Website to Prove It. - Dallas News - Unfair Park

It appears to me that crime rate is the 900 lb gorilla in the room that everyone is trying to ignore.

I just want to point out that ClarenceBodiker's post mentioned "south dallas burb," not southern dallas proper, which was the focus of the Observer article. There is a difference between the two.

[Pooua]

Originally Posted by Acntx

I just want to point out that ClarenceBodiker's post mentioned "south dallas burb," not southern dallas proper, which was the focus of the Observer article. There is a difference between the two.

Oh, like Waxahauchie? That's a really nice town, and it's growing quickly, too. I worked out there on a project for a few weeks last Summer.

[Acntx]

Originally Posted by Pooua

Oh, like Waxahauchie? That's a really nice town, and it's growing quickly, too. I worked out there on a project for a few weeks last Summer.

Yes, Waxahachie is an example. A lot of the southern suburbs have experienced growth over the last decade or so, not Collin County fast, but significant in proportion to their size.