DFW adds one person every 4 minutes (Dallas, Rogers: transporting, health insurance, how much)

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by EDS_

I hope you are correct. But with the recent horrifying yoy deficit numbers, strangling regulation related costs and Cali's initiative referendum albatross I think Calif is going to be in economic limbo for a long while.

Also I can't explain LA growing. However, the last numbers I saw indicated Cali as a state is losing population.

Not quite. California is losing domestic migration. However, it's natural increases and international migration increases far out number what it's losing in domestic out migration.

[Double-G]

Originally Posted by justme02

Not quite. California is losing domestic migration. However, it's natural increases and international migration increases far out number what it's losing in domestic out migration.

By international migration you mean illegals crossing the border.

Even Apple is looking outside the state for its new facilities in the US.

Google has already spread far out across the US.

Silicon Valley will be lucky to keep the HQs of the tech world in state, and only then because the CEOs are wedded to Cali and wealthy enough to be immune to the continuing decline.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by justme02

Not quite. California is losing domestic migration. However, it's natural increases and international migration increases far out number what it's losing in domestic out migration.

Just looked it up. Cali's pop was up from 2011-12. But up not much more than DFW alone grew over the same period.

[Double-G]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Just looked it up. Cali's pop was up from 2011-12. But up not much more than DFW alone grew over the same period.

If California Is Doing So Great, Why Are So Many Leaving? | Newgeography.com

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Double-G

If California Is Doing So Great, Why Are So Many Leaving? | Newgeography.com

Wow!
Everyone should read that top to bottom.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by Double-G

By international migration you mean illegals crossing the border.

Not at all. By international migration, I mean legal immigration. Look at the stats from 2010-2011. Ill use LA as an example:

Domestic out migration: -50,459

International (legal) migration: 54,725
Natural change: 96,150

That means that the Los Angeles area netted 100,416.

Now, lets look at San Francisco:

Domestic migration: 5,880
International migration: 17,996
Natural change: 23,939

Total change: 47,815

California has its problems. But the natural changes and the international migration means that they will continue to see population growth.

[Double-G]

Originally Posted by justme02

Not at all. By international migration, I mean legal immigration. Look at the stats from 2010-2011. Ill use LA as an example:

Domestic out migration: -50,459

International (legal) migration: 54,725
Natural change: 96,150

That means that the Los Angeles area netted 100,416.

Now, lets look at San Francisco:

Domestic migration: 5,880
International migration: 17,996
Natural change: 23,939

Total change: 47,815

California has its problems. But the natural changes and the international migration means that they will continue to see population growth.

One wonders what these people are doing given the documented fact that businesses and their employees are leaving, the unemployment rate is stubbornly above average, and the tax take is in sharp decline.

Are these retirees?

[savanite]

Originally Posted by justme02

Not at all. By international migration, I mean legal immigration. Look at the stats from 2010-2011. Ill use LA as an example:

Domestic out migration: -50,459

International (legal) migration: 54,725
Natural change: 96,150

That means that the Los Angeles area netted 100,416.

Now, lets look at San Francisco:

Domestic migration: 5,880
International migration: 17,996
Natural change: 23,939

Total change: 47,815

California has its problems. But the natural changes and the international migration means that they will continue to see population growth.

The problem with your data is that the international migrants have no insight into California's enormous social problems. Actually, many of the inmigration to Texas consists of former international migrants who became disillusioned by life in Cali. Alternately, no matter how tough Cali is in comparison to Texas, Cali may be better than the Third World environment they came from.

So Cali doesn't have to be as good as a First World country such as Texas, it just has to be marginally better than the Third World.

People who move to Cali have no insight into the day-to-day hardships of life there. How could they? The images they see are movies about beaches, weather, lovely houses on picturesque seacoasts, beautiful people living glamorous lives. No one tells them that, for example, their children will never be able to buy a house.

By contrast, the people moving out have very much insight into Cali's social problems, and they've had enough of them. If Cali were truly a paradise, people would flood the place from the rest of the world, discover the wonderful truth of what they were told, and never leave the good life

The remarkable thing about in migration to Texas is that so many of them stay... thus, Texas has net population increase from migration, whereas more Americans (and Mexicans) are fleeing from California than are naively attracted to it.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by savanite

The problem with your data is that the international migrants have no insight into California's enormous social problems. Actually, many of the inmigration to Texas consists of former international migrants who became disillusioned by life in Cali. Alternately, no matter how tough Cali is in comparison to Texas, Cali may be better than the Third World environment they came from.

So Cali doesn't have to be as good as a First World country such as Texas, it just has to be marginally better than the Third World.

People who move to Cali have no insight into the day-to-day hardships of life there. How could they? The images they see are movies about beaches, weather, lovely houses on picturesque seacoasts, beautiful people living glamorous lives. No one tells them that, for example, their children will never be able to buy a house.

By contrast, the people moving out have very much insight into Cali's social problems, and they've had enough of them. If Cali were truly a paradise, people would flood the place from the rest of the world, discover the wonderful truth of what they were told, and never leave the good life

The remarkable thing about in migration to Texas is that so many of them stay... thus, Texas has net population increase from migration, whereas more Americans (and Mexicans) are fleeing from California than are naively attracted to it.

But there is no way to prove that. I would be willing to bet the opposite. Having lived there, it's more like its the Americans who are leaving. The foreign born tend to stay. Like at the various ethnic communities there. They keep growing.

[savanite]

Yes, it would be good to have some hard numbers.