Coppell schools vs Frisco Schools (Dallas, Plano: how much, layoffs, neighborhood)

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by VegasMan_72

There is a lot of biase on this forum against Frisco. I have lived in Coppell for 2 years before moving to Frisco and find Frisco schools to be better than Coppell. Like you noticed there are tons and tons of sites that put Frisco schools ahead of Plano and Coppel but dare you say it on this forum and people will come out swinging. In reality the difference is negligible. They are all very good school districts.

With respect your comments would be much more convincing if backed with some objective measures.

1. No one here dislikes Frisco or Frisco schools.
2. There are a couple of sites and reports that rate Frisco schools above Plano. However, each one I have seen is terribly suspect.
3. For and example regarding the SAT test, the best objective measure we have, Frisco's best HS is bested by Plano's best HS by 100pts. That means more or less the average Plano West kid is 100 SAT points or greater more prepared for college than the average Frisco HS graduate.

You can play feelings games all you'd like but that number isn't flattering for Frisco schools.

That said, clearly many kids from Frisco schools are mightily impressive in the classroom. A good friend's grand daughter at a Frisco school will go to a 5 year engineering MS program out west this fall. Another Frisco kid we know will be a 19yo medical school student also this fall.

[TurtleCreek80]

Originally Posted by EDS_

With respect your comments would be much more convincing if backed with some objective measures.

1. No one here dislikes Frisco or Frisco schools.
2. There are a couple of sites and reports that rate Frisco schools above Plano. However, each one I have seen is terribly suspect.
3. For and example regarding the SAT test, the best objective measure we have, Frisco's best HS is bested by Plano's best HS by 100pts. That means more or less the average Plano West kid is 100 SAT points or greater more prepared for college than the average Frisco HS graduate.

You can play feelings games all you'd like but that number isn't flattering for Frisco schools.

Exactly - and before Vegasman can play the race card - "high performing Asians drive up the Plano SAT scores and the rest of the kids perform the same as their Frisco counterparts"..... The average Frisco student across almost all races is 100 points behind his/her counterparts in Plano. 100 points is a pretty significant SAT gap.

Class of 2014 SAT scores:
White: lowest scoring Plano school is 40 points ahead of highest scoring Frisco campus. Gap between #1 in each district is 82 points; gap between lowest scoring schools is 110 points.
Plano ISD: 1670, 1686, 1714 (E, Sr, W)
Frisco ISD: 1632 (centennial), 1603 (Wakeland), 1592 (Liberty), 1575 (Frisco), 1572 (Heritage) 1560 (lone Star)

Black: top schools in both districts are closer together but lowest Frisco school is 107 points behind lowest Plano campus.
Plano ISD: 1446 (West), 1425 (East), 1419 (Senior)
Frisco ISD: 1449 (Liberty), 1418 (Wakeland), 1383 (heritage), 1312 (Lone Star)

Hispanic: most similar scores between districts in Hispanic race; Frisco Liberty outscores top Plano campus by 33 points
Plano ISD: 1564 (sr), 1561 (W), none reported for East (??)
Frisco isd: 1597 (Liberty), 1555 (Wakeland), 1529 (centennial), 1528 (Lone Star), 1526 (Heritage), 1516 (Frisco)

Mixed race: huge disparity between the one Frisco campus reporting mixed race results and the Plano schools (gap of 89 - 136 points)
Plano ISD: 1719 (E), 1680 (W), 1672 (Sr)
Frisco ISD: 1583 (Wakeland). Only school reporting this bucket

[LauraLama]

This is just a lost cause. Anyone who states the facts, immediately gets labeled as biased ... even ones who live in other districts and have no personal interest in endorsing better performing districts over Frisco.

[VegasMan_72]

Originally Posted by EDS_

With respect your comments would be much more convincing if backed with some objective measures.

1. No one here dislikes Frisco or Frisco schools.
2. There are a couple of sites and reports that rate Frisco schools above Plano. However, each one I have seen is terribly suspect.
3. For and example regarding the SAT test, the best objective measure we have, Frisco's best HS is bested by Plano's best HS by 100pts. That means more or less the average Plano West kid is 100 SAT points or greater more prepared for college than the average Frisco HS graduate.

You can play feelings games all you'd like but that number isn't flattering for Frisco schools.

That said, clearly many kids from Frisco schools are mightily impressive in the classroom. A good friend's grand daughter at a Frisco school will go to a 5 year engineering MS program out west this fall. Another Frisco kid we know will be a 19yo medical school student also this fall.

There are plenty of people on this forum who have done that so I am not going to repeat it since it is not going to make a difference to you and other Frisco haters. You will keep discrediting the cited websites and studies and come back to your silly argument of "bested by 100 points".

I will repeat it again. Plano is a fine school district, so are Frisco, Prosper, Allen etc. The difference is negligible, if any.

With regards to you point No. 1, I bet if I have time (which I don't, I have better things to do) and do search I can come up with several hundred quotes ridiculing people, calling them terrible parents etc, who CHOOSE to live in Frisco.

[VegasMan_72]

Originally Posted by TurtleCreek80

Exactly - and before Vegasman can play the race card - "high performing Asians drive up the Plano SAT scores and the rest of the kids perform the same as their Frisco counterparts"..... The average Frisco student across almost all races is 100 points behind his/her counterparts in Plano. 100 points is a pretty significant SAT gap.

Class of 2014 SAT scores:
White: lowest scoring Plano school is 40 points ahead of highest scoring Frisco campus. Gap between #1 in each district is 82 points; gap between lowest scoring schools is 110 points.
Plano ISD: 1670, 1686, 1714 (E, Sr, W)
Frisco ISD: 1632 (centennial), 1603 (Wakeland), 1592 (Liberty), 1575 (Frisco), 1572 (Heritage) 1560 (lone Star)

Black: top schools in both districts are closer together but lowest Frisco school is 107 points behind lowest Plano campus.
Plano ISD: 1446 (West), 1425 (East), 1419 (Senior)
Frisco ISD: 1449 (Liberty), 1418 (Wakeland), 1383 (heritage), 1312 (Lone Star)

Hispanic: most similar scores between districts in Hispanic race; Frisco Liberty outscores top Plano campus by 33 points
Plano ISD: 1564 (sr), 1561 (W), none reported for East (??)
Frisco isd: 1597 (Liberty), 1555 (Wakeland), 1529 (centennial), 1528 (Lone Star), 1526 (Heritage), 1516 (Frisco)

Mixed race: huge disparity between the one Frisco campus reporting mixed race results and the Plano schools (gap of 89 - 136 points)
Plano ISD: 1719 (E), 1680 (W), 1672 (Sr)
Frisco ISD: 1583 (Wakeland). Only school reporting this bucket

You have shown your dislike of FISD so much that it is not worth responding any more. Keep posting your meaningless and silly "42 and 33 points gap" charts. I concede.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by VegasMan_72

There are plenty of people on this forum who have done that so I am not going to repeat it since it is not going to make a difference to you and other Frisco haters. You will keep discrediting the cited websites and studies and come back to your silly argument of "bested by 100 points".

I will repeat it again. Plano is a fine school district, so are Frisco, Prosper, Allen etc. The difference is negligible, if any.

With regards to you point No. 1, I bet if I have time (which I don't, I have better things to do) and do search I can come up with several hundred quotes ridiculing people, calling them terrible parents etc, who CHOOSE to live in Frisco.

1. The sites you have latched onto have reached bogus conclusions for reasons pointed out several times - incomplete or missing information, methodologies unable to discern between 2 and 4 year high schools etc.

2. The only "study" I'm aware of was simply rigged to get a particular result at worst or at best "built" to identify improving schools over already great schools. TWO MINUTES looking at the methodologies employed makes my claim obvious.

3. Regarding my, "silly argument of 'bested by 100 points'"........When a kid applies to college will admissions staff at any one of them look at "Great Schools" and the oft mentioned study you seem to love? How many will look at SAT scores? You know the answer most every school will look at SAT scores not one of them will look at "Great Schools" and your study.

4. Even including jokers and trolls I've not seen a signal person claim anything like Frisco parents are terrible for choosing Frisco schools etc.

[bencronin04]

Your child should do fine in either district academically.

[LauraLama]

SAT's are an important factor but from our own experiences, academic rigor is significantly higher in top tier districts. You can ask anyone who does high school tutoring in the area.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by LauraLama

SAT's are an important factor but from our own experiences, academic rigor is significantly higher in top tier districts. You can ask anyone who does high school tutoring in the area.

Sure. My argument is great academic rigor yields higher SAT scores.

[unknown00]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Dallas, Texas Area School Information: 2013-2014 SAT Scores for Dallas-Fort Worth Schools

Can you provide the source of that data? It seems like a personal blog that anyone can type up

Originally Posted by TurtleCreek80

Exactly - and before Vegasman can play the race card - "high performing Asians drive up the Plano SAT scores and the rest of the kids perform the same as their Frisco counterparts"..... The average Frisco student across almost all races is 100 points behind his/her counterparts in Plano. 100 points is a pretty significant SAT gap.

Class of 2014 SAT scores:
White: lowest scoring Plano school is 40 points ahead of highest scoring Frisco campus. Gap between #1 in each district is 82 points; gap between lowest scoring schools is 110 points.
Plano ISD: 1670, 1686, 1714 (E, Sr, W)
Frisco ISD: 1632 (centennial), 1603 (Wakeland), 1592 (Liberty), 1575 (Frisco), 1572 (Heritage) 1560 (lone Star)

Black: top schools in both districts are closer together but lowest Frisco school is 107 points behind lowest Plano campus.
Plano ISD: 1446 (West), 1425 (East), 1419 (Senior)
Frisco ISD: 1449 (Liberty), 1418 (Wakeland), 1383 (heritage), 1312 (Lone Star)

Hispanic: most similar scores between districts in Hispanic race; Frisco Liberty outscores top Plano campus by 33 points
Plano ISD: 1564 (sr), 1561 (W), none reported for East (??)
Frisco isd: 1597 (Liberty), 1555 (Wakeland), 1529 (centennial), 1528 (Lone Star), 1526 (Heritage), 1516 (Frisco)

Mixed race: huge disparity between the one Frisco campus reporting mixed race results and the Plano schools (gap of 89 - 136 points)
Plano ISD: 1719 (E), 1680 (W), 1672 (Sr)
Frisco ISD: 1583 (Wakeland). Only school reporting this bucket

Can you provide source of data please?