03-04-2013, 01:18 PM
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Not new to Dallas, but I am new to parenting. We're beginning the search for the top schools in the area and I wanted to put this out here as it seems like there is really some great advice going around on these boards.
Background:
We only currently have an 11 month old, so I know there is plenty of time to look into schools but I am a big planner and would like to get as much information as possible. I went to Highland Park and would love for my son to receive the same quality of education and opportunities I had growing up but there are two withholding factors. First and for most is the "life style". There is a sense of entitlement inside the community that took me awhile to get rid of after leaving the bubble. Don't get me wrong, there are hoards of wonderful people in the area and it is a great area for safety and localized community but I would like to keep my son from having the same culture shock I received when going off into the real world. Second is price. I'm 26 and my wife is 23, frankly we could afford to live in the area but would be extremely house poor on our current salaries. This is what has lead me to look into private schools. I am not interested in living in Plano, Southlake, Frisco, etc and love the area we are currently in. I've looked a little into ESD, Lamplighter and Providence. I know some of the top private high schools in the area are St. Marks, TCA, PCA, ESD, Jesuit and the easiest way to transition into those schools is with enrollment at a Private "feeder" school. We are not extremely religious but do have morals and values. What I'm trying to ask is, what do you all would think would be the best option for a elementary private school that is not EXTREMELY religious in the Dallas area? Thanks.
03-04-2013, 01:30 PM
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How many kids are you going to have? I ask because if only 1, it's cheaper to live somewhere else (Devonshire, M Streets, Midway Hollow, etc) and pay the private school bill. If you're going to have 2 kids, it's breakeven or cheaper to live in the Park Cities. A $40-60k tuition + fees / uniforms / activities for 2 kids + a $2,500PITI on a $300k house runs about the same as the carrying costs on a $1.2M HPISD home.
You really don't want to live there? No problem. Just want to call attention to "the math" for great public schools vs privates.
The best private school is the one in which your kid will thrive. It could be the more open/ creative learning style at Lamplighter, a classic Catholic education at Christ the King/ St Rita/ St Monica, or St Alcuin for Montessori, or a traditional prep school like ESD or Hockaday / St Mark's / Good Shepherd. Or Shelton if you come across LD's in your kid. It could even be a slightly less rigorous school where your kid will be closer to the "top of the heap" like Trinity Christian Academy or First Baptist.
03-04-2013, 01:35 PM
Location: Dallas, TX
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Thanks, we're only planning on one.....but you know what happens when you plan that! We're currently in Greenway Park just outside of the HPISD area(obviously helping tremendously on affordability as well. I also don't want to struggle in HP/UP and be the poor family as I know that stigma lives in the community and my son doesn't need to be subjected to that as well.
03-04-2013, 02:28 PM
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Don't forget to look at Parish Episcopal School-really great things going on over there.
03-04-2013, 02:58 PM
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I have posted plenty on this topic, and I have lots of opinions. But, one step that you can immediately take it to put your son on various waiting lists NOW. You will find that some schools test for open spots (lamplighter), some schools kinda test (St. Alcuin), and some schools rely on waiting lists (Meadowbrook). If your son is 11 months old, it is certainly time to put him on the Meadowbrook waiting list (and other schools).
Also, most of the feeder schools, at least until K, are not overly religious. Plenty of kids start at HP Presby, Up Methodist, Temple Emanual, etc. We have plenty of non-jewish friends who sent their kids to temple emanual just because they liked the school.
I would venture to say that the four "hottest schools" for admissions to St. Marks are St. Alcuin, Lamplighter, Meadowbrook, and DaVanci. The numbers fluctuate based on the quality of students, but year in and year out, these four schools do very well. That being said, if your kid is super bright, you can place him in DISD and he will get into St. Marks (the odds are just a little longer).
03-04-2013, 03:59 PM
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and would love for my son to receive the same quality of education and opportunities I had growing up but there are two withholding factors. First and for most is the "life style". There is a sense of entitlement inside the community that took me awhile to get rid of after leaving the bubble. ... Second is price. I'm 26 and my wife is 23, frankly we could afford to live in the area but would be extremely house poor on our current salaries.
You think privates do not have their own bubbles? They do. And this has turned me off.
And privates are not expensive? 30K plus a year per kid.
The differential between a 1 million dollar home and a 500K home in terms of taxes, writeoffs, repairs, and interest is about the same at this time.
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I have posted plenty on this topic, and I have lots of opinions. But, one step that you can immediately take it to put your son on various waiting lists NOW.
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So the bubble begins to grow.
One of the ways you can unshelter your kid is to get them on sports teams where there are kids from other walks of life. Another way is to attend a church in a non-wealthy part of town. A boy scout troop, etc. Of course, you open yourself up to the drama and chaos that can be a part of others less self-controlled lives as well.
03-04-2013, 04:04 PM
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Good advice on here. Put your name on waitlists where applicable at top schools you might be interested in and keep an open mind based on your/your wife's and your child's personality and learning style. I'm a recently returned transplant to Dallas so can't really speak to the specific schools but the advice you received here is good. Test scores and college acceptances are important markers of success for a school but your child may thrive best at a school that some people think is "2nd tier" and it's important to be open to that possibility IMHO. Even though your son isn't ready for school yet, go to some open houses in the fall and get a sense of which school(s) feels right to you.
In addition, for all the elite schools talk of diversity and high rates of financial aid, my own experience with elite schools outside the Dallas area is that many students at elite schools still grow up with a sense of entitlement. Maybe Dallas elites are wholly different, but I suspect there is some similarity. The sense of entitlement/bubble effect may not be as extreme as HP or may be different from HP in some ways...and hopefully different in some ways that are important to you. Regardless of where they go to school, just the fact that you are aware of the sense of entitlement that can come about and your desire to deter it will make a huge difference in helping your son stay grounded. Good luck!
03-04-2013, 04:31 PM
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Thanks, we're only planning on one.....but you know what happens when you plan that! We're currently in Greenway Park just outside of the HPISD area(obviously helping tremendously on affordability as well. I also don't want to struggle in HP/UP and be the poor family as I know that stigma lives in the community and my son doesn't need to be subjected to that as well.
He's young and so are you. You can always start planning for private schools and switch to HP if/ when it becomes more affordable. My income increased almost $150k/year between age 26 and early 30's. I don't say that to brag, just to say that unless you & your wife are in very fixed income jobs like teaching or government, you are nowhere near your peak earning years. And you're still 3-4 years away from Pre-K / K. Good to be a planner and think ahead, but it's also hard to foresee what your financial situation will be in 2016-17.
IMO, you're going to see as much of the "rich bratty" entitled kid/ parent thing in the elite private schools as you will in HPISD. Then, there are the same contingent of working parents who are sacrificing "extras" or a bigger house to pay the private school bills (same as the HP parents who are renting or living in a 1400 SF house on Lovers vs a 6000SF home in Frisco). Being exposed to a small percent of scholarship kids & affluent/ super smart minorities isn't going to widen your kid's world view by that much over an HPISD experience.
03-04-2013, 04:38 PM
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If you have a second child, you may just consider hiring your own independent educator for a year round curriculum. A good friend of mine is a teacher fed up with the system here and moving to Vancouver to be a teacher for a family. In Texas, your home would be considered it's own private school and the student:teacher ratio is unbeatable.
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People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)