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Old 03-21-2013, 09:07 AM
 
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On 3/20 in Dallas at the intersection of Buckner/30, the traffic in the far right lane was backed up for more than half a mile and as most of us know, that lane if full of territorial yahoos. As I couldn't get in, I pulled up to the stop sign in the second right hand lane.
At this portion, beyond the stop sign, there is no signage. No sign telling me the designation of the lanes, no sign stating that you cannot make a turn or have to go straight in that lane.
Seeing the lack of signage, I decide to make a right turn, but was pulled over by a motorcycle cop and given a $200.00 ticket for making a right turn from the wrong lane.
If there truly is a law in the books for this, can someone please direct me to it? I can't seem to find it. If I broke the law, I have no problem paying the price, but cannot find the documentation to back that up.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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On 3/20 in Dallas at the intersection of Buckner/30, the traffic in the far right lane was backed up for more than half a mile and as most of us know, that lane if full of territorial yahoos. As I couldn't get in, I pulled up to the stop sign in the second right hand lane.
At this portion, beyond the stop sign, there is no signage. No sign telling me the designation of the lanes, no sign stating that you cannot make a turn or have to go straight in that lane.
Seeing the lack of signage, I decide to make a right turn, but was pulled over by a motorcycle cop and given a $200.00 ticket for making a right turn from the wrong lane.
If there truly is a law in the books for this, can someone please direct me to it? I can't seem to find it. If I broke the law, I have no problem paying the price, but cannot find the documentation to back that up.
I'd assume that if there's a lane to the right of you, then you can't make a right turn from the lane you're in because you would be cutting across traffic. I don't know the intersection in question but it sounds to me like you were in the wrong.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Austin
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You can only turn right from the second lane if there is a sign saying you CAN. There will not be a sign saying you can't because right hand turns are done from the right lane, just like left hand turns are done from the left lane.

I just googled the Texas handbook and the turning section says for Right turns to get into the right lane. The left turn section says to get into the left lane. No where does it say you "can't" turn from the second lane, but when you can, an additional sign is posted like "two right lanes turn" or you'll see that sign with the straight arrow and turning arrow which means you can do either.

You did a not-so-smart thing and you know it, or you would have been turning all the time from the second lane and not just this one time.
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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No cutting across traffic. The right lane in this instance (westbound) splits to the right, with a yeild to oncoming traffic (going northbound).
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Old 03-21-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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On 3/20 in Dallas at the intersection of Buckner/30, the traffic in the far right lane was backed up for more than half a mile and as most of us know, that lane if full of territorial yahoos. As I couldn't get in, I pulled up to the stop sign in the second right hand lane.
At this portion, beyond the stop sign, there is no signage. No sign telling me the designation of the lanes, no sign stating that you cannot make a turn or have to go straight in that lane.
Seeing the lack of signage, I decide to make a right turn, but was pulled over by a motorcycle cop and given a $200.00 ticket for making a right turn from the wrong lane.
If there truly is a law in the books for this, can someone please direct me to it? I can't seem to find it. If I broke the law, I have no problem paying the price, but cannot find the documentation to back that up.
Pay up. It's ones responsibility to know what's allowed and not from whichever lane one is in-.
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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If it was legal to turn from the middle lane, why was traffic backed up 1/2 mile in the right lane? Wouldn't more people have been turning from that lane also?

Sounds to me like you didn't feel like waiting, so you took a chance and broke the law. You got caught. May as well pay up.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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The triangle-shaped median where the far right lane veers north is there for a reason. That traffic is supposed to yield to north bound traffic, which you joined just a few yards short of their entry point. I can see why this would be illegal, although I don't know the Dallas penal code where I can point you to a specific law.

At least now you know why traffic in the right lane was so backed up!
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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Pay up.

Plano Road Eastbound at Preston was a notorious place for PPD to get people for this turning both North and South. They finally allowed a second turn lane for Northbound and added that dedicated turn off lane.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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On 3/20 in Dallas at the intersection of Buckner/30, the traffic in the far right lane was backed up for more than half a mile and as most of us know, that lane if full of territorial yahoos. As I couldn't get in, I pulled up to the stop sign in the second right hand lane.
At this portion, beyond the stop sign, there is no signage. No sign telling me the designation of the lanes, no sign stating that you cannot make a turn or have to go straight in that lane.
Seeing the lack of signage, I decide to make a right turn, but was pulled over by a motorcycle cop and given a $200.00 ticket for making a right turn from the wrong lane.
If there truly is a law in the books for this, can someone please direct me to it? I can't seem to find it. If I broke the law, I have no problem paying the price, but cannot find the documentation to back that up.
If no signage, you can only turn right from the right lane. Also that far right lane is not a turn-only lane, so they could be heading straight. A good resource to review for stuff like this would be The Texas Highway Man Pages - Texas Traffic Laws (and good driving habits)

He is even on the C-D forums (San Antonio).


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§545.101 - TURNING AT INTERSECTION
(a) To make a right turn at an intersection, an operator shall make both the approach and the turn as closely as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway.
(b) To make a left turn at an intersection, an operator shall:
(1) approach the intersection in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to a vehicle moving in the direction of the vehicle; and
(2) after entering the intersection, turn left, leaving the intersection so as to arrive in a lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of the vehicle on the roadway being entered.
(c) On a street or roadway designated for two-way traffic, the operator turning left shall, to the extent practicable, turn in the portion of the intersection to the left of the center of the intersection.
(d) To turn left, an operator who is approaching an intersection having a roadway designated for one-way traffic and for which signs are posted from a roadway designated for one-way traffic and for which signs are posted shall make the turn as closely as practicable to the left-hand curb or edge of the roadway.
(e) The Texas Transportation Commission or a local authority, with respect to a highway in its jurisdiction, may:
(1) authorize the placement of an official traffic-control device in or adjacent to an intersection; and
(2) require a course different from that specified in this section for movement by vehicles turning at an intersection.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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I am looking at Google Earth at that intersection. Specifically the access road of 30 heading west and approaching the stop sign at Buckner. Before you get to the stop sign, there is a dedicated feeder lane that puts you on Buckner. Did you pass that and proceed to the stop sign at the intersection? Leaving everyone in the far right lane actually heading straight, and you turned left from the middle lane?


Now if you missed the feeder "ramp," for lack of a better word, that puts you on Buckner, and proceeded up to the stop sign actually at Buckner, there is no reason to think that you couldn't turn right from the far right hand lane. But yeah, if you turned from a middle lane, you could expect a ticket as you are crossing traffic either turning or going straight.

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