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[Considering Coming Back]

Originally Posted by EDS_

That last part is just straight up wrong. There is more confusion and bad info about auto-admits at UT than I would have though possible until my son applied a few years ago. You just wouldn't believe how many kids and parents think an auto-admit means you get to pick your major without qualifying.

Ah, your favorite game of splitting hairs. Getting into the school is #1. Madison can't be a Theta if she doesn't get in, after all.

[Considering Coming Back]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

I realize you consider yourself to be extremely clever; however, I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. That is assuming you read my response in the first place.

When you can't make an effective argument resort to personal attacks

Internet 101.

[Big G]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

...breadcrumbs thrown on the ground for the kids who managed to run the gauntlet of poverty and crappy inner-city schools and come out decent on the other side.

Since we're opening that Pandora's box....

The Top 10% rule does a better job of fairly distributing those "breadcrumbs" to inner-city kids than the old system. Back then, UT could load up on black kids from, say, Hillcrest or Woodrow, and leave behind the ones from Pinkston and Carter.

Now, the current downside to UT is that a Pinkston grad is far more likely to crash and burn at UT than a Hillcrest grad. That makes UT look bad as far as minority retention.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Considering Coming Back

Why do you just make stuff up? In 1998 (TTP law was passed in '97) UT was not in the top 50 of US News. In 2013 UT is 46th.

For the record Cal has climbed from 23rd to 21st; UNC fallen from 27th to 30th; Michigan down from 23rd (tied with Cal in '98) to 29th; UVA down from 21st to 24th.

Vitriol much?

Take a look at various UT ranking in 1998 and pull up the same info for today. It's still great it's just been hurt in certain areas. And it's a silly argument - although I know you'll likely try - to claim that UT turning away brighter kids to admit kids from little schools and kids who are the right color is best for the school.


http://www.utexas.edu/student/admiss...atrankings.pdf

[TheOverdog]

It would be really easy to fix the top 10% rule by increasing educational funding either via allowing equal access to Permanant Funds to other systems (UofH, TTU, UNT) or by increasing taxes for higher ed a little bit. But whatever.

Or maybe the students in CA & MA are just smarter on average and that's why UC-Davis, UC Irvine, and UC San Diego are more highly ranked than UT (according to US News list). Sure. Sacramento is one of the world's hotspots you know. Who wouldn't pick UC Davis?

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Considering Coming Back

Ah, your favorite game of splitting hairs. Getting into the school is #1. Madison can't be a Theta if she doesn't get in, after all.

WTH are you talking about?

[Considering Coming Back]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Vitriol much?

Take a look at various UT ranking in 1998 and pull up the same info for today. It's still great it's just been hurt in certain areas. And it's a silly argument - although I know you'll likely try - to claim that UT turning away brighter kids to admit kids from little schools and kids who are the right color is best for the school.


http://www.utexas.edu/student/admiss...atrankings.pdf

That link does not support your assertion that "UT's national ranking, lame as those metrics are, has slipped significantly".

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Considering Coming Back

That link does not support your assertion that "UT's national ranking, lame as those metrics are, has slipped significantly".

1. FWIIW the last of the Hopewood years was 1998. TTP wasn't implemented significantly until 1999.
2. If you'd like to claim that admitting worse students over better students makes UT a better school go ahead.
3. I'll pull more data tonight or tomorrow. I read through this stuff for months when my son was thinking about attending UT.

[Considering Coming Back]

Originally Posted by EDS_

1. FWIIW the last of the Hopewood years was 1998. TTP wasn't implemented significantly until 1999.
2. If you'd like to claim that admitting worse students over better students makes UT a better school go ahead.
3. I'll pull more data tonight or tomorrow. I read through this stuff for months when my son was thinking about attending UT.

1. That makes '98 an even better start year because you didn't have to worry about the girl who graduated 23rd at Pinkston bringing you down.

2. I think at the level of comparing borderline cases it doesn't make a ton of difference. The rankings show that, as well. They are pretty stagnant over a decade and a half.

3. Have fun. I'm going on vacation

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Considering Coming Back

1. That makes '98 an even better start year because you didn't have to worry about the girl who graduated 23rd at Pinkston bringing you down.

2. I think at the level of comparing borderline cases it doesn't make a ton of difference. The rankings show that, as well. They are pretty stagnant over a decade and a half.

3. Have fun. I'm going on vacation

I'm not comparing borderline cases. An example is my daughter's friend with the 3.70 from Ursuline and a 32 ACT who couldn't get into UT at all with many of the kids at the bottom of the top 8% who may have decent grades but ACT scores in the mid 20s. In many instances we are not talking about close calls.