05-19-2014, 05:41 PM
Location: North Texas
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Gas fumes are really bad for you. Just buy a new electric stove as the elements are brand new and won't take as long to heat up as your old ones.
Wow. All of this is so, so wrong.
05-19-2014, 09:49 PM
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Piling on, but...if you and/or wife REALLY want gas, you'll have to move. "Gas range" was a HUGE issue for us in choosing a home, FWIW. It's not just "heats up faster", it's also "when it's off, it's OFF" unlike traditional electric which takes forever to cool down.
Now, if it's only about cooking and moving isn't a realistic option, then, as other posters have noted, you could consider induction. Induction ranges are far more common in many other countries, you can read about them here, among other places:
Induction cooking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The ten second summary - induction cooking uses a magnetic field to cause the cooking vessel itself to heat up. One advantage is that it reduces the danger of burns since the cooktop itself doesn't heat up (other than heat transferred from the hot cooking vessel), it has the same "instant response" of gas, and is IIRC very efficient. Drawbacks are that you are generally limited to using only cookware that a magnet would stick to (stainless steel and cast iron, for example, no anodized aluminum) and if you ever put a sheet of aluminum foil over an induction cooktop and turn it on by accident, you'll have a huge mess.
I'll also note that even if you had a gas line coming to your house, unless your kitchen is "plumbed for gas" already running a new gas line into the kitchen is a major PITA if your house is on a slab, as most are in DFW (BigDGeek is fortunate to live in one of the limited areas where pier&beam is more common).
Good luck.
(PS to BigDGeek - what would your dream gas range be? Thermador, Wolf, Viking, Dacor?
One of my best friends is a plumber, he runs gas lines through attics and down interior walls all the time. Nearly all slab homes with gas have gas lines in the attic not in or under the slab.
05-19-2014, 09:55 PM
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Gas fumes are really bad for you. Just buy a new electric stove as the elements are brand new and won't take as long to heat up as your old ones.
Errr what? A properly functioning natural gas stove (CH4) gives of a triffle CO and water vapor. BTW blue flames = good, yellow = bad.
05-19-2014, 10:14 PM
Location: Southlake. Don't judge me.
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One of my best friends is a plumber, he runs gas lines through attics and down interior walls all the time. Nearly all slab homes with gas have gas lines in the attic not in or under the slab.
And if the cooktop is on an island, as it was at several of the homes I looked at...??
05-19-2014, 10:38 PM
Location: Southlake. Don't judge me.
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Errr what? A properly functioning natural gas stove (CH4) gives of a triffle CO and water vapor. BTW blue flames = good, yellow = bad.
Yeah, that post was one of those "err..WHAT?" sort of things.
05-19-2014, 10:50 PM
Location: Funky town
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Gas fumes are really bad for you. Just buy a new electric stove as the elements are brand new and won't take as long to heat up as your old ones.
You are kidding, right?!!!!
05-19-2014, 11:24 PM
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And if the cooktop is on an island, as it was at several of the homes I looked at...??
More or less game over.
05-20-2014, 12:43 AM
Location: Earth
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I should of been more clear and quoted the OP but my opinion is the same. "Wifey" could use a new stove and propane is not a good alternative for cooking inside. I think it's already been said anyway.
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05-20-2014, 06:31 AM
Location: Colleyville
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And if the cooktop is on an island, as it was at several of the homes I looked at...??
I would say if the cooktop is on an island, it depends what your budget and threshold are for a kitchen remodel rather than just switching out appliances
The market being what it is right now, I can't cross a home off my list if it checks all the other boxes for something that can be remodeled *fairly* easily. That being said, if it was a total impossibility to run gas lines, we would pass on the house.
that's my .02 as someone who just had this discussion with our realtor yesterday
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Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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The market being what it is right now, I can't cross a home off my list if it checks all the other boxes for something that can be remodeled *fairly* easily. That being said, if it was a total impossibility to run gas lines, we would pass on the house. 
that's my .02 as someone who just had this discussion with our realtor yesterday 
