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Old 06-18-2014, 03:20 PM
 
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TC - I can't tell you how many times I've heard folks who moved to Lovejoy claim it's the same as HP. (which honestly makes me choke back laughter). I'm sure there are a lot of strong points to the area and the schools, but that's a pretty massive claim to make.
Never claimed Lovejoy was the same as HP. Never claimed it was the same as SLC. I have great respect for both those districts and all they have done and continue to do. So please don't try to speak for me. Lovejoy is easily on par with PISD academically, and so are multiple other schools in the area.

Another major reason I avoided Plano was there broken athletic system. The way the middle schools feed different high schools which feed different sr. highs makes up a very disconnected system. There are other forums dedicated to sports that frequently talk about these issues. Three of the four largest schools in the state and fairly lack luster sport results.

The thing is I don't recall ever seeing HP, SLC, Coppell or Flower Mound posters on here bashing Lovejoy. I do see a lot of digs coming from pro-Plano posters. These posters may not even be from Plano and may be basing their opinions and comments on outdated historical data and opinions that have read on here. Every time someone suggests Lovejoy as an option on this forum the same posters come out with the same links back to this forum or to the negative Lovejoy website. This is why I provide links to external sources. Anyone coming on here looking for feedback from locals that live around here should be given all the facts and external data to back it up...

I don't hate Plano, it just wasn't for us. I hope all the schools continue to do well and education improves throughout the state.
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:21 PM
 
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And on one of them you have used frequently, USA.com, just says at the bottom with no rhyme or reason as to where it gets its ranking from. It just says "Public School Performance data" with no links or criteria listed. This one has Wyile ISD ranking higher than Allen, Frisco, Prosper and Plano. Lewisville/Flower Mound is way down the list. It is also based on the overall district and not the individual schools. So that list is questionable at best.

I find looking at individual schools in a district helpful in my decisions than just a blanket ISD stat.

Also agree with what nawvtanzi09, TurtleCreek80 and MurphyPl1 says. Not saying Lovejoy is a horrible school district at all. For some Lovejoy is a great fit whereas others desire something of a Frisco/Plano. However they are not on the same playing field so it really becomes an apples/oranges debate. What works for one may not work for someone else.

All in all I consider myself lucky to have so many choices available. As TC80 says not a bad place to be at all.

That Wylie ISD is in Abilene and they are very high performing district... Maybe you should follow the link?
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:36 PM
 
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Lovejoy had 3 NMSF; Plano ISD had 78. Plano is 15X larger than Lovejoy so to put the Plano NMSF on Lovejoy's scale, 78 / 15 = 5.2

Even adjusted for size, Plano has 73% more NMSF than Lovejoy (5.2 vs. 3).


I don't know how you can possibly keep saying Lovejoy ISD is better than Plano? Lovejoy isn't bad; it's certainly a top 10-15ish area high school, but it's not in the same league as Plano, HP, Southlake, Flower Mound and Coppell. Sorry. It's most definitely in the next tier of schools....which is not a bad place to be!
Care to respond to this one? You conveniently skipped right over it in your quest to prove Lovejoy is better than Plano. Lovejoy's claim to fame is it's all-Honors / AP track classes so one would think the district would over-index in NMSF.

And I don't buy the BS about taking the ACT in 7th grade and never again; there's too much riding on the line for sophomore & junior scores (National Merit full ride scholarships, for one) that a student would be a fool not to take it high school, especially if the scores were Duke TIP-worthy in 7th grade. Plus, the College Board wipes pre-9th grade scores off a student's record unless specifically requested to keep it on for college admissions....though most colleges would wonder why the student never re-tested and would trust more recent scores more!

And I'm not a pro-Plano person...graduated from HP and currently live in Dallas (although I work in Plano) so it will be private schools for us.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:22 PM
 
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I've nothing against the area, other than commute, schools, septic tanks and few middle school mentality adult cliques.

I really like having a new house on a big lot in a small town. Local schools aren't at top but a solid second tier district.

My beef is that people try to oversell it and paint it to be something it's not. I wanted to offer my honest opinion as a person who lived here/experienced local schools and has experience of a better location and better school district. I was shown a photoshopped version and I resent dishonesty.
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Old 06-18-2014, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Dallas area, Texas
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Commute and septic tanks are enough to keep Lovejoy ISD areas off of my list.
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Old 06-20-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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I personally think many areas of Richardson look kind of dirty and run down.
Then you need to spend more time in Richardson, particularly the west side (Canyon Creek, Reservation, Waterview, Heights Park areas).

We settled in Richardson because of the great schools and shorter commute to downtown jobs. I love that the high schools are all reasonably sized (generally 2,500 or less enrollment) and the district has done a remarkable job of maintaining high standards through demographic shifts. The number of young families moving back to revitalize older neighborhoods is a testament to that.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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Then you need to spend more time in Richardson, particularly the west side (Canyon Creek, Reservation, Waterview, Heights Park areas).

We settled in Richardson because of the great schools and shorter commute to downtown jobs. I love that the high schools are all reasonably sized (generally 2,500 or less enrollment) and the district has done a remarkable job of maintaining high standards through demographic shifts. The number of young families moving back to revitalize older neighborhoods is a testament to that.
This.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Dallas area, Texas
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I don't hate Plano, it just wasn't for us. I hope all the schools continue to do well and education improves throughout the state.
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Plano is diverse like other popular and affordable suburbs with good schools like Frisco,Richardson,Murphy, Allen,Coppell etc. However, even schools on east side that have more Mexican Americans and African Americans, outperform lily white districts. Central cluster has more Chinese and Indian Americans with highly competitive environment and their performance is off the charts. West cluster is predominantly white and wealthy yet their schools top all charts. We are looking for homes their and prices have gone up significantly from 2010 when we last looked before buying in Lucas.
So, it seems that diversity isn't for everyone.

Lovejoy High School Ethnic Makeup:
Ethnicity This school State average
White 82% 29%
Hispanic 8% 52%
Asian or Pacific Islander 4% 4%
Two or more races 3% 2%
Black 2% 13%

Lovejoy ISD Economically Disadvantaged:
2.34%
Second only to Highland Park and Carroll
http://www.lovejoyisd.net/Uploads/34/misc/f247601.pdf

With such demographics, one would expect Lovejoy to be performing at a MUCH higher level, on par with Highland Park and Carroll, rather than trailing behind.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:14 AM
 
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Then you need to spend more time in Richardson, particularly the west side (Canyon Creek, Reservation, Waterview, Heights Park areas).

We settled in Richardson because of the great schools and shorter commute to downtown jobs. I love that the high schools are all reasonably sized (generally 2,500 or less enrollment) and the district has done a remarkable job of maintaining high standards through demographic shifts. The number of young families moving back to revitalize older neighborhoods is a testament to that.
I've spent plenty of time in Richardson, thanks. Not to deviate from the topic of this post, which is Lovejoy schools, but since when are the neighborhoods you mentioned representative of a city of around 100K people?

Yes, I've been to all those areas and they are fine. I personally don't care for the style of many of the homes, but again, that is all personal preference.

Does the east side of Richardson not count as Richardson to you? because I've seen plenty of old, ghetto run down looking neighborhoods, dilapidated strip malls & sketch businesses over there. Not to mention the slum apartments along Spring Valley.

Don't try and paint Richardson as something that it isn't. A city of that many people is invariably going to have some "nicer" neighborhoods somewhere, such as the ones you referenced on the west side.

I think overall it's a safe, older suburb to live in with decent schools if you like that sort of area. Thanks!
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:28 AM
 
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Nothing wrong with east Richardson IMO. I lived over there for a bit when I first moved here.
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