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Old 06-20-2014, 12:25 PM
 
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Many areas of Plano look "dirty and rundown", too [/shrug], and of course to each their own. But if someone is seriously looking in central and east Plano and not also considering Richardson and the neighborhoods of North Dallas that are RISD, they are doing themselves a disservice.
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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This is NE Richardson.

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Old 06-20-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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All the articles I point to were external sources and based off actual data. Yes 2 out of 3 Plano schools have an edge in SAT scores, but that gap shrinks annually and I haven't seen this year's data. Plus I haven't seen ACT rankings.
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Lovejoy via zoning and price point has conveniently filtered out the riff raff and apartment latchkey crackpipe kids and the children of illiterate gardeners. (And I rank myself as one of these kids in my youth so don't flame me.)

Plano and the other districts have not. Plano in particular has a very large "apartment crowd." Despite this, PISD just blows the barn doors off educating everyone.

Lovejoy should therefore be ranked with the privates and TAM and the magnets rather than with the mainstream ISDs. In either comparison mode, Lovejoy comes up short. Way short.

Lovejoy's SAT averages are the result of demographics, not the big three expectations : peers, parents, and curriculum.
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Old 06-20-2014, 12:47 PM
 
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I personally think many areas of Richardson look kind of dirty and run down. Clearly others disagree, but that is just my opinion. That's why there are so many different types of places to live - everyone can't like the same area.
Well, the East Richardson area around Breckinridge Park is anything but dirty and run down. Also is zoned to Plano schools.
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Old 06-20-2014, 04:20 PM
 
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Lovejoy via zoning and price point has conveniently filtered out the riff raff and apartment latchkey crackpipe kids and the children of illiterate gardeners. (And I rank myself as one of these kids in my youth so don't flame me.)

Plano and the other districts have not. Plano in particular has a very large "apartment crowd." Despite this, PISD just blows the barn doors off educating everyone.

Lovejoy should therefore be ranked with the privates and TAM and the magnets rather than with the mainstream ISDs. In either comparison mode, Lovejoy comes up short. Way short.

Lovejoy's SAT averages are the result of demographics, not the big three expectations : peers, parents, and curriculum.
ISD's don't determine zoning, so Lovejoy and Plano have nothing to do with zoning and price point. I"ve attended Planning and Zoning meetings and have never seen a school official present, let alone speak.

Now your take is to classify Lovejoy as a private school, even though it educates all the students that live in it's borders... I don't know what your issue is with Lovejoy but your arguments are way off base.

So Lovejoy gets public school funding and is now performing "way short" of private schools. Please go check your stats. Lovejoy is doing great and many people leave private schools to attend Lovejoy.

75007 have you or any of your family members ever attended Lovejoy schools. You pretend to know what your talking about, but it is obvious you don't...
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Old 06-20-2014, 04:44 PM
 
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Lovejoy had 3 NMSF; Plano ISD had 78. Plano is 15X larger than Lovejoy so to put the Plano NMSF on Lovejoy's scale, 78 / 15 = 5.2

Even adjusted for size, Plano has 73% more NMSF than Lovejoy (5.2 vs. 3).


I don't know how you can possibly keep saying Lovejoy ISD is better than Plano? Lovejoy isn't bad; it's certainly a top 10-15ish area high school, but it's not in the same league as Plano, HP, Southlake, Flower Mound and Coppell. Sorry. It's most definitely in the next tier of schools....which is not a bad place to be!
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Care to respond to this one? You conveniently skipped right over it in your quest to prove Lovejoy is better than Plano. Lovejoy's claim to fame is it's all-Honors / AP track classes so one would think the district would over-index in NMSF.

And I don't buy the BS about taking the ACT in 7th grade and never again; there's too much riding on the line for sophomore & junior scores (National Merit full ride scholarships, for one) that a student would be a fool not to take it high school, especially if the scores were Duke TIP-worthy in 7th grade. Plus, the College Board wipes pre-9th grade scores off a student's record unless specifically requested to keep it on for college admissions....though most colleges would wonder why the student never re-tested and would trust more recent scores more!

And I'm not a pro-Plano person...graduated from HP and currently live in Dallas (although I work in Plano) so it will be private schools for us.
@Lovejoy_Family, again...care to respond to these facts that show Lovejoy lags Plano ISD considerably? You've conveniently skipped over my TWO posts but continued to respond to later posts.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:23 PM
 
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Never claimed Lovejoy was the same as HP. Never claimed it was the same as SLC. I have great respect for both those districts and all they have done and continue to do. So please don't try to speak for me. Lovejoy is easily on par with PISD academically, and so are multiple other schools in the area.
Nowhere did I ever say that was a comment you made. I was speaking about many of your neighbors.
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:20 AM
 
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Plano is an excellent district, no doubt. But I wonder about comparing the quality of an education provided by the district based solely on the number of NMSF or SAT scores, because I would presume it was the result of a lot more than just the education provided by the ISD.

I found an article that discussed what went into being a NMSF, and the quote that stood out was "being named a National Merit Scholar has been a goal for the 17-year-old, who has given up vacation days, weekends and endless hours after school as he prepared for the PSAT, the test that qualifies students for the scholarship." Plano ISD leads state in National Merit Scholars | Dallas Morning News

Having a reputation as a school district for these smart and focused kids attracts similarly-minded families. Full disclosure: my kids just started at Lovejoy. We have been extremely happy with the elementary school. We preferred a smaller district.
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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Plano is an excellent district, no doubt. But I wonder about comparing the quality of an education provided by the district based solely on the number of NMSF or SAT scores, because I would presume it was the result of a lot more than just the education provided by the ISD.

I found an article that discussed what went into being a NMSF, and the quote that stood out was "being named a National Merit Scholar has been a goal for the 17-year-old, who has given up vacation days, weekends and endless hours after school as he prepared for the PSAT, the test that qualifies students for the scholarship." Plano ISD leads state in National Merit Scholars | Dallas Morning News

Having a reputation as a school district for these smart and focused kids attracts similarly-minded families. Full disclosure: my kids just started at Lovejoy. We have been extremely happy with the elementary school. We preferred a smaller district.
It has been shared on here before by PISD students that having NMSF students in an AP or Honors class can push other students to try a little harder. Not give up all free time to study, but just try harder and reach more of their potential. Having those students elevates the student body as a whole, not just those students.

With no competition, many students just slide by doing only what it takes to pass STARR and make and A.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:34 AM
 
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There is no pressure on kids from PISD schools to try for NMSF. Only willing participants go for it, rest go according to their own pace.
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